I assure you I am not up to no good and I accept that I have little or no “freedom” but I am not willing to carry an iID card wherever I go. It feels like a step too far. We have never needed them in the past, what has changed?
@debs64 Technology and the world? Nothing stays the same.
I have just received my Electoral Register form - why do I need to fill it in? Should I ignore it? What about census forms? Why should I agree to complete forms but object to what those forms 'mean' (IE by completing the form, I am then eligible to vote) - why not carry a card that says I can vote - the data is held by the gov anyway. Sooner or later that data will be on a portable device anyway and the voting system will be automated and card carrying will be a thing of the past anyway.
Do you object when you go to a bank and have to provide proof of ID or address and provide bills or whatever? What's the difference when trying to prove ID?
Sorry should have written “what has changed to make ID cards a necessity?” I am concerned that anything which prevents people voting easily will be of benefit to certain sectors of society whose views I disagree with. Young people in particular should be encouraged to vote and when oh when will we get proportional representation?
Don’t banks require proof of address? Would ID cards have the address on? If so surely there would be lots of admin required to change addresses? If no address what is the advantage?
@debs64 Not sure what needs to be visible on the cards (if they even come in anyway) Debs, but I'd be amazed if the data behind the card didn't contain such info and that is then just a secure link away.
The petition is not about ID cards, but about voter ID. As several people have said, the former would need to happen before the latter if it is not just to be an exercise in disenfranchisement.
I am cynical about the reasons for it being proposed ar** over t**, given that voter fraud is really not an issue in the UK, and certainly not an issue that needs addressing so urgently as to risk the democratic process. My area is one where voter ID was piloted and the result was exactly as feared (or possibly, as hoped for).
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My ID card is the size of a bank card so slips into my purse along with my driving license which also has a photo and is not onerous to carry. It shows my name, date of birth and national number. Everything else is on the chip and needs a special reader device.
Changing the address is no more complicated or time consuming than changing it for banking purposes, council taxes and service and a lot easier than writing to and emailing all our friends when we moved.
As long as people don't have to produce ID to vote you will never know just how much voter fraud there is but yes, this method of applying it is definitely putting the cart before the horse.
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None of your examples are related to holding an identity card, or being forced to prove ones identity in day to day life with it.
If I meet someone in the street I introduce myself, if they say “prove it” I say “this isn’t wartime, sunshine”.
If you don’t want those things you have listed to happen, and don’t see their value - Thats your problem. Good luck using a bank that doesn’t know where your money is, a health service that doesn’t know your health or a credit card that doesn’t know what you have bought.
I value privacy and I work to maintain that privacy for everyone at banks, credit card companies and health businesses as is enshrined in law.
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Technology and the world? Nothing stays the same.
I am concerned that anything which prevents people voting easily will be of benefit to certain sectors of society whose views I disagree with. Young people in particular should be encouraged to vote and when oh when will we get proportional representation?
Not sure what needs to be visible on the cards (if they even come in anyway) Debs, but I'd be amazed if the data behind the card didn't contain such info and that is then just a secure link away.
I am cynical about the reasons for it being proposed ar** over t**, given that voter fraud is really not an issue in the UK, and certainly not an issue that needs addressing so urgently as to risk the democratic process. My area is one where voter ID was piloted and the result was exactly as feared (or possibly, as hoped for).
Changing the address is no more complicated or time consuming than changing it for banking purposes, council taxes and service and a lot easier than writing to and emailing all our friends when we moved.
As long as people don't have to produce ID to vote you will never know just how much voter fraud there is but yes, this method of applying it is definitely putting the cart before the horse.
If I meet someone in the street I introduce myself, if they say “prove it” I say “this isn’t wartime, sunshine”.
If you don’t want those things you have listed to happen, and don’t see their value - Thats your
problem. Good luck using a bank that doesn’t know where your money is, a health service that doesn’t know your health or a credit card that doesn’t know what you have bought.
I value privacy and I work to maintain that privacy for everyone at banks, credit card companies and health businesses as is enshrined in law.