@Jemula thanks for the detailed description You have a wonderful
collection of old roses.. Indigo appears a bit darker compared to
others.. And suckering of RdR/ Indigo was mentioned by others as well.. guess Portlands sucker on their own root..
edited to add that my CdC had to be left behind when we moved as it was balling badly for me...
thanks @Marlorena@edhelka for the pics.. Amanda P has a peculiar arrangement of petals and colour variation as well..
I feel much better (less guilty) after all the stats I've got around 40, all in pots... will give the exact count tomorrow...
Yolande has the most delicious old rose fragrance of any rose
Perhaps it's similar to Dr Jamain, although it tends to green apple scent. It needs extra TLC and I'm always interested to see it to make rosarians' 'top roses' lists.
Amanda P has a peculiar arrangement of petals and colour variation as well..
An old reference describing Joasine Hanet (1913): An odd-shaped Rose of peculiar color, cultivated by enthusiasts because of its eccentricities. The flowers are of medium size and strangely formed, with the appearance of having been quartered. In color they are deep rose, tinged with violet- a shading as distinctive as is the shape of the blossom. The fragrance is very strong. The plant is of luxuriant growth, with long shoots, and thrives well in temperate climates.
Another one (1892): Hybrid Remontant. Belongs to the old Portland group. Deep rose, tinged with violet, medium size, full, quartered shape; fragrant, very hardy a profuse bloomer. The color and form are bad, and destroy its usefulness.
That's the main reason why I believe that the rose sold today as Amanda Patternote (various spellings) is Joasine Hanet. Not everyone agrees on this but the original Amanda's blooms were described as "deep pink, large, double/full, globular" - and this certainly isn't the case.
Both original Amanda and Joasine are sister seedlings (having the same mother, the famous and lost Belle de Trianon). Another two well-known sister seedlings of them are Sidonie and Jolande d'Aragon.
A found rose common in the USA, Portland from Glendora, was identified as Joasine Hanet. This is mostly accepted but some rose experts disagree or have doubts.
I like to call my rose 'Glendora' because I like the name and I believe they are all the same rose - the original Joasine - although the modern clones maybe drifted away from the original a bit. The original Joasine is supposed to have a bit more magenta/violet in it.
Find myself reacding articles from Country Life. Oh dear. Has it really come to this? Charles Quest-Ritson (writer of RHS Encyclopedia of Roses) states " there’s a good reason why so many florists’ roses are scentless: the
gene for scent is incompatible with the gene for a long vase life and
cut-flower roses". He lists Munstead Wood as one of the best ever roses for scent. It's an interesting article.
But from what I read about Charles QR, he does seem like a twonk.
Varieties: 72 DA varieties : 42 Total count of roses : 98 (mostly DA multiples) Pots: may be 25-30 (I am not sure).
Actually some of my roses are kind of shovel pruned because I wanted to get rid of them but then instead of throwing/giving away i planted them in shade among large shrubs and weeds.
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Perhaps it's similar to Dr Jamain, although it tends to green apple scent. It needs extra TLC and I'm always interested to see it to make rosarians' 'top roses' lists.
An odd-shaped Rose of peculiar color, cultivated by enthusiasts because of its eccentricities. The flowers are of medium size and strangely formed, with the appearance of having been quartered. In color they are deep rose, tinged with violet- a shading as distinctive as is the shape of the blossom. The fragrance is very strong. The plant is of luxuriant growth, with long shoots, and thrives well in temperate climates.
Another one (1892):
Hybrid Remontant. Belongs to the old Portland group. Deep rose, tinged with violet, medium size, full, quartered shape; fragrant, very hardy a profuse bloomer. The color and form are bad, and destroy its usefulness.
That's the main reason why I believe that the rose sold today as Amanda Patternote (various spellings) is Joasine Hanet.
Not everyone agrees on this but the original Amanda's blooms were described as "deep pink, large, double/full, globular" - and this certainly isn't the case.
Both original Amanda and Joasine are sister seedlings (having the same mother, the famous and lost Belle de Trianon). Another two well-known sister seedlings of them are Sidonie and Jolande d'Aragon.
A found rose common in the USA, Portland from Glendora, was identified as Joasine Hanet. This is mostly accepted but some rose experts disagree or have doubts.
I like to call my rose 'Glendora' because I like the name and I believe they are all the same rose - the original Joasine - although the modern clones maybe drifted away from the original a bit. The original Joasine is supposed to have a bit more magenta/violet in it.
Now the counts
Varieties: 72
DA varieties : 42
Total count of roses : 98 (mostly DA multiples)
Pots: may be 25-30 (I am not sure).
Actually some of my roses are kind of shovel pruned because I wanted to get rid of them but then instead of throwing/giving away i planted them in shade among large shrubs and weeds.
I am probably more shocked at your totals than any other... all those DA's, I had no idea.. more photos please this summer...
Yes we need more photos from everyone and I should post more photos too.