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Veg instead of meat?

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  • FireFire Posts: 19,096

    The world's 20 biggest intensive meat and dairy firms are responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than produced by the economies of Germany, France or Britain. An area three times the size of Germany is dedicated to farming soya, over 90 percent of which is used to feed livestock. It is expected that meat demand will increase by half as much again within the next eight years.


    https://www.rfi.fr/en/big-meat-dairy-firms-emissions-top-germany-s-report




  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited September 2021
    Precisely @fire … and those sort of figures for intensively reared meat are the ones so often quoted as an argument to stop eating meat and dairy. 

    But livestock farming never used to involve feeding vast amounts of soya to cattle … non-intensive grass fed beef and lamb do not produce those emissions … much of which comes from the ploughing of soil to produce the soya and then transporting it around the globe in one form or another. 

    When we raised sheep and beef cattle our animals were fed on old flower-rich pastures, hay cut from those and similar meadows, and straw made from the haulms gathered after beans had been harvested for canning. 

    Much UK reared meat is fed in this way, and it is what we and many other people choose to eat, although it costs a bit more. 

    However the UK government is being pressured to do trade deals allowing the intensively reared, monetarily cheaper (although ‘costing the Earth’) beef in from Australia and the US into the country … this is likely to put the traditional and sustainable UK farms out of business.

     A hugely retrograde step for the environment and animal welfare. 


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  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    edited September 2021


    Veggies excite me and I enjoy almost all of them. 

    Horses for courses.
     :D


    and in which courses do you have horse @TheGreenMan ?   ;)  
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    ...horse d'oeuvres obviously...
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  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    Reading an article yesterday which said people on plant based diets break wind 7 times more per day than the rest of the population and although they produce the same number of stools as others, those stools are twice the size.
    How much more evidence do we need that vegans are responsible for destroying the Earth?  They have more emissions than other people.
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    @KT53  :D

    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    Every now and again Bonzo dog scoops up the sweetcorn I put out for the chooks if I don't keep an eye on him.   Even just a few kernels are enough to make him windy.

    That said, I've found that the more pulses and fibrous veggies I eat in a week the more my digestive system acclimatises and the less methane I produce.   I do like to be regular too - in some things, anyway.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
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  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    Fairygirl, what I find really amusing about that story is that somebody has actually taken time to research the subject.  I wonder what they put on their CV?
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    I shudder to think @KT53 :D

    A lot of research happens by 'accident' when they're actually researching something else.
    In that instance, I'd like to know what  ;)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • I’m sure the figures were readily available somewhere … it’s the way you them together that puts a new spin on it
    … 
    but it’s been proved that cows eating soya produce more gas, so makes sense that humans do too, doesn’t it ? 😉 

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





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