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Veg instead of meat?

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  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    And cows given shorter hay stems and a teeny supplement of seaweed produce less.   The ones round here are all grass fed except it's drizabone at the mo and all gone brown so they're getting sileage..
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • raisingirlraisingirl Posts: 7,093
    Was just listening to a really interesting talk about the Knepp estate rewilding project. They have cattle, deer, ponies and pigs as a crucial part of their ecosystem renewal and have established that if you take the animals out of the process, it is far less successful at increasing soil carbon storage (which is probably the largest carbon sink we have, apart from non-exploited fossil fuels). There is a strong argument for eating less meat and eating extensively reared meat. But as Dove, I think, said, the carbon storage potential of permanent pasture that is 'naturally' managed and grazed, has been shown in that experiment to be much higher than land that is actively and intensively farmed for arable crops.
    Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon

    “It's still magic even if you know how it's done.” 
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    edited September 2021
    @raisingirl Knepp is a wonderful place to visit, if you get a chance. They have tours and workshops and full courses for land managers to replicate/adapt/incorp elements of systems used at Knepp. They are working v hard with Sussex farmers to support them in transitioning out of intensive models and advocating on their behalf. Isabella's book about the twenty year process of converting Knepp is full of a great deal of agri detail and stats on how exactly they have managed the land and comparative yields. She also reads the audiobook version herself, which gives another layer to the writing. She is a writer by profession, and it shows.

    They now also have an online delivery service set up, as of this year, so you can buy wild meat from the land - Tamworth, venison and long horn beef. It much richer and gamier in taste, very low carbon in production - even with transport.

  • raisingirlraisingirl Posts: 7,093
    I'd love to go @Fire. The talk was by a work colleague who was given a 'safari' on the estate as a gift from our company for a Significant Birthday. It looks really interesting. I may have to settle for a course at the Agroforestry Trust instead. Not quite the same but part of the same argument and nearer to me  :)
    Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon

    “It's still magic even if you know how it's done.” 
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    I'd love the visit the sister projects in the Cairngorms and Norfolk. Knepp is all open land, with public footpaths running through it. Anyone can basically wander anywhere (which brings its own problems, with dogs etc). They have a regular camping ground and well as huts and things, so it can be cheap to visit, or wander through for a day for free. The clouds of butterflies are a thing of wonder. Nightingales, storks, beavers, world class dung beetles, turtle doves.
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    Isabella here talking about Knepp

    Charlie talking here (longer vid with detail)


  • And info about Norfolk and other projects here https://www.rewildingbritain.org.uk/rewilding-projects/wild-ken-hill

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • Fairygirl said:


    Veggies excite me and I enjoy almost all of them. 

    Horses for courses.
     :D


    and in which courses do you have horse @TheGreenMan ?   ;)  
    I was wondering if anyone would pick up on this but I’d forgotten to check. 

    Haha! 
  • steveTu said:
    ...horse d'oeuvres obviously...
    *standing ovation* 
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    steveTu said:
    ...horse d'oeuvres obviously...
    *standing ovation* 
    Horses' doovries as we always like to call them. Brilliant.  :D

    @Fire - the estate at/round Glen Feshie [Cairngorms] is the place to go, but you'll need a lot of time to wander there. It's a rather large place.... ;)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
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