Utterly ludicrous @edhelka. Banning something is often enlightened and follows active public campaigning - banning child labour, for example, banning smoking in public places, banning slavery. I could go on.
Child labour - complicated, because the definition of a child is complicated (which rights should people have depending on age and when they can consent to various things or enter contracts).
Slavery - no, this is very different. Slave-master isn't a voluntary relationship. Banning slavery is defending the slave (defensive violence is obviously OK) or other way said, stopping the violence which is already happening.
Smoking in pubs - assuming everyone is there voluntarily (employees are there voluntarily unless they are slaves, the guests are there also voluntarily - I think it's safe to assume they are), the state shouldn't interfere. Smoking in pubs should be up to the owner. It is not enlightened to ban smoking in pubs.
It's all simply about the consent. About all human interactions (or as many of them as practically possible) being voluntary.
"We all have our views on plastic grass... and that's fine obviously, but if you'd like to sign:"
So is it fine or do you want to stop other people from having plastic grass?
Please, don't say things like "it's fine to have an opinion", just say it how it is "I am OK with using violence against people to stop them from having plastic grass."
I think the OP was simply passing on a link to this particular petition. It's up to the individual as to whether or not they wish to sign. I don't see anyone advocating violence with regard to this
I’m not sure if I want to get involved in this argument but...
Surely a petition is a good way to get a particular subject noticed and discussed. I would think a petition to ban artificial grass would obviously fail but it brings up the pros/cons and perhaps could bring about change. It could at least make people think about the potential negatives before installing it.
I happen to think that a petition is a healthy way to bring attention to a subject. In this day and age where we see people constantly attacking others (verbally and/or physically) with differing viewpoints, a petition seems like pretty benign way to make a point.
Advocating for a ban (telling people to sign a petition) while saying "it's fine to have different views" is such a stark contrast that I couldn't stay silent.
I didn't "tell" anybody to to do or sign anything. I gave members of the forum the option to decide for themselves.
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Surely a petition is a good way to get a particular subject noticed and discussed. I would think a petition to ban artificial grass would obviously fail but it brings up the pros/cons and perhaps could bring about change. It could at least make people think about the potential negatives before installing it.
Violence is sometimes necessary, but should never be the first option.
When you don't even know who's in the team
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