How would you feel if, instead of the protection of employment law, we all just got to vote on whether you keep your job?
False analogy. If someone in work is doing something illegal and you report it to your manager who ignores it because the person is their mate then you take it to HR or someone who will take a stand on the behaviour. In this case 'HR' are made up of people who are also that person's mate and some that aren't so there's split opinion. To take it any further is stretching the analogy too far as this is an elected government who should be setting the example not a dictatorship that say 'Do as I say, don't do as I do'. We get to vote and protest in this country and it's important that we do so. How far are you willing to allow government corruption to go before you start to give a s**t?
If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
It’s ironic that someone who was one of the first to demonstrate how to harness the power of Twitter et al to achieve a political aim should now find himself on the receiving end.
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How would you feel if, instead of the protection of employment law, we all just got to vote on whether you keep your job?
False analogy. If someone in work is doing something illegal and you report it to your manager who ignores it because the person is their mate then you take it to HR or someone who will take a stand on the behaviour. In this case 'HR' are made up of people who are also that person's mate and some that aren't so there's split opinion. To take it any further is stretching the analogy too far as this is an elected government who should be setting the example not a dictatorship that say 'Do as I say, don't do as I do'. We get to vote and protest in this country and it's important that we do so. How far are you willing to allow government corruption to go before you start to give a s**t?
Dominic Cummings hasn't been arrested, charged, tried or convicted. Under UK law, he is legally innocent and has not been proven guilty of any offense. So your comparison is false, because nobody has done anything illegal.
My point is that petitions are simply adult 21st century peer pressure. Good job our justice system doesn't work like that.
To your second point, he is also a private citizen and not an elected official. He's a consultant and adviser. There quite literally tens of thousands of private citizens working for the government and public sector, and many of them will have broken the spirit, or the law, of lockdown. I'm personally aware of one. However as none of them are in the media cross hairs, they do not get this nonsense of noise and do not precipitate calls for political nonsense.
Perhaps we should start by fining or arresting all the photographers and journalists who broke social distancing LAW, committed a crime, to crowd around Dominic Cummings car earlier this week when the story "broke" and he was loading a child's bike into it. There's video and photographic evidence of that, or do they not count?
Again, I really don't care about Dominic Cummings, I dislike the vast majority of politicians and find a lot of the media biased/self serving. I normally ignore all of it. However this kind of nonsense does need challenging because these days people seem to lose all sense of reason and perspective, and spend their time looking for the next bandwagon of faux outrage to jump on. Let's focus on what's actually important?
On the assumption that you think the reaction to Cummings' actions is primitive think on:
Society uses rules for the greater good. The rules are in place largely to ensure the 'group' exists and works in a better way than a bunch of individuals following their instinct. That is what society is. In this case Cummings acted using his instinct (and common sense? hmmm) which flew in the face of the common good. He acted primitively - he didn't care the he may have had an accident, broken down, stopped and infected some area and by so doing caused someone else grief. He acted primitively and just though about 'Cummings'. Go and listen to Hancock's briefing from yesterday about the new tracing and how important following the rules is for the greater good. That is the right, civilised way. Caring about others.
So which is primitive, Cummings' actions or the reaction against it?
And I repeat what I've said elsewhere - people in power , who define and/or enforce rules in whatever walk of life, have to be treated more harshly than the general public if they then flout those rules - simply because of the effect on the general public. And the general good only works if the majority follow the rules. No rules work if people decide to ignore them.
If he has done nothing wrong, why did 2 politicians resign for 'breaking lockdown guidelines', one for travelling to meet his mistress another because she travelled to her holiday home? Also, for people who did get fines for 'breaking ' the lockdown, wouldn't they feel a bit foolish for paying them, are those who have yet to pay, going to pay them? Why would/ should they?
Dominic Cummings hasn't been arrested, charged, tried or convicted. Under UK law, he is legally innocent and has not been proven guilty of any offense. So your comparison is false, because nobody has done anything illegal.
My point is that petitions are simply adult 21st century peer pressure. Good job our justice system doesn't work like that.
To your second point, he is also a private citizen and not an elected official. He's a consultant and adviser. There quite literally tens of thousands of private citizens working for the government and public sector, and many of them will have broken the spirit, or the law, of lockdown. I'm personally aware of one. However as none of them are in the media cross hairs, they do not get this nonsense of noise and do not precipitate calls for political nonsense.
Perhaps we should start by fining or arresting all the photographers and journalists who broke social distancing LAW, committed a crime, to crowd around Dominic Cummings car earlier this week when the story "broke" and he was loading a child's bike into it. There's video and photographic evidence of that, or do they not count?
It's not a false comparison. The legal and moral actions are one in the same and if the actions undermine the principals of the company then that person is causing problems that need to be addressed properly. The government are now having to review hundreds of fines to allow Cummings' actions to be kept legal for example.
Petitions are part of democracy. Calling it peer pressure is childish. Would you rather a political justice system like the USA where you can do anything you like as long as your side are in charge?
So what is your plan? No one gets punished or investigated for any crime until all other crimes have been solved? That makes no sense. I can be accused of murder but shouldn't be investigated if people are getting away with littering? Do you really consider that a cleaner working for the government needs to be made as accountable as one of the PM's main advisers?
If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
I would recommend that everybody listens to last night’s Channel Four news interview. Jon Snow talking to Nazir Afzal about the issue. The clearest explanation of why what he did was wrong that I have heard yet.
As of 11.37 this morning, you have 8 hours left to listen to it.
Nazir Afzal for PM. A voice of reason and logic, not wiffle waffle piffle paffle.
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My point is that petitions are simply adult 21st century peer pressure. Good job our justice system doesn't work like that.
To your second point, he is also a private citizen and not an elected official. He's a consultant and adviser. There quite literally tens of thousands of private citizens working for the government and public sector, and many of them will have broken the spirit, or the law, of lockdown. I'm personally aware of one. However as none of them are in the media cross hairs, they do not get this nonsense of noise and do not precipitate calls for political nonsense.
Perhaps we should start by fining or arresting all the photographers and journalists who broke social distancing LAW, committed a crime, to crowd around Dominic Cummings car earlier this week when the story "broke" and he was loading a child's bike into it. There's video and photographic evidence of that, or do they not count?
Again, I really don't care about Dominic Cummings, I dislike the vast majority of politicians and find a lot of the media biased/self serving. I normally ignore all of it. However this kind of nonsense does need challenging because these days people seem to lose all sense of reason and perspective, and spend their time looking for the next bandwagon of faux outrage to jump on. Let's focus on what's actually important?
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.