Thank you @Marlorena I’d say Dame Judi Dench has been very healthy, and I like the flower colour and ruffled form, but the growth is awkward. It’s throwing out long canes growing sideways.
Thank you for your replies! I would be very interested to read what books on roses you have and find useful. I have purchased about 30 gardening books this year... my book habit is even worse than my plant one.
If it’s any consolation, just to say that the ‘rain in Spain falls mainly on the plane’ is a total myth! Lots of battered roses this morning after a night of high winds and torrential rain. We do get a lot of rainfall here, nearly as much as Manchester, hence the high summer humidity. This is about the only bloom left and that’s because The Prince is mostly sheltered by the roof overhang:
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
..well, it's still very beautiful Nollie... likewise a very stormy night last night, I can't remember anything quite like it for the time of year.. and none too warm either..
I only have a few books left now, having downsized somewhat... and what I have may be of little interest to growers of modern roses, but my go to book, which is now quite an expensive volume to purchase is The Graham Stuart Thomas Rose Book... anybody who is anybody in the rose world will likely have this in their collection, or have done so ... it's Mr Thomas's rose collection that produced the gardens at Mottisfont, Hampshire..
Books get a bit out of date, as new information comes to light, so there are some mistakes or assertions that people have challenged over the years.. that's to be expected.. I also have is invaluable books on 'Shrubs and Climbers' and 'Perennials'..
If you have an interest in Noisette roses then Virginia Kean's little book 'Noisette Roses.. 19th Century Charleston's Gift to the World' is full of interesting historical facts..
Classic Roses by Peter Beales is a long standing favourite for many people as is David Austin's English Roses which I think has been updated... I used to have these..
The Quest for the Rose by Roger Philipps and Martyn Rix is another to seek out although I don't have it.. Philipps and Rix are well known the world over..
A simpler book by them was simply called 'Roses', full of lovely pictures, not so much information, so an easy read... I used to look at this one nearly all the time.. they also did a series on other garden plants.. I have their 2 volumes on 'Perennials'...
I also have an old 1970's Readers Digest encyclopedic work, which includes lots on roses.. and as a former member of the Heritage Roses Group here, I have a small collection of their publications, as they send out 2 a year.. lots of interesting facts by various writers, some world renowned... I refer to these quite a lot.. and there are back issues one could obtain..
Charles Quest-Ritson has also produced volumes on roses for the modern age, but I don't have any of his works.. he is probably the most pre-eminent expert British rosarian of today..
I'd also like to alert anyone interested to Dr. Liz Perks's website.. The Rosarian Library.. she has amassed a huge collection of the most fascinating historical rose books... her gallery is worth looking at too, and every time I see an Albert Williams painting - I want one.. !.. she highlights a few there..
Liz says she is happy to research a rose if anybody wants that, but I do not know if she charges for it .. she's also on Facebook..
@Marlorena Yes, very pretty rose. And also, which makes me happy, very fragrant (tea/rose/fruity). These blooms are rebloom, it came to me in July cut back hard. But repeating is so much dependant on climate and soil that I think it has a little use as an objective characteristic of a rose. I would expect both PN and PT to have some autumn flush here.
What is weird about this confusion is the fact that PT is older of the two. It had to be already well established with rosarians and present in many gardens when PN was introduced and it was bred by a well-known breeder while the breeder of PN, Remi Tanne, was an amateur breeder and a newbie to rose breeding. The early references also mention some difficulties with propagating enough for getting it into commerce. If one of those roses should disappear, it would be much more probable to happen to PN.
I've been wondering how to post similar roses to HMF. I guess both is possible with an appropriate description (origin of the rose etc.). I wish more people were more descriptive when they post to HMF.
...climate changes colours but not so much repeating abilities, it just may not be as floriferous.. otherwise you wouldn't differentiate between repeating New Dawn and once blooming Dr W Van Fleet. ...not pruning at midsummer is key to getting luciae-wichurana ramblers to continue to produce flowers for the rest of the summer... the fact yours is repeating after a hard cut back, makes me think the Tea rose Mons. Tillier had some influence.. I look forward to seeing the amount of 'quilling'... I believe there's something in Charles Quest-Ritson's encyclopedia of roses that shows it but he's very strict on copyright so we best not try to reproduce that..
... as for posting to HMF, I would place it against the name you received it as, noting ex-Beales UK.. perhaps with a ? .. I haven't checked by expect they're all mixed up anyway..
Hiya - some help needed please! This Cumberland rose was planted in my parents garden last year...it flowered but it's hardly put on any new growth this year. It looks a bit sad and diseased. Maybe it's not the right rose. They wanted red though. It's east facing. What should I do?
...climate changes colours but not so much repeating abilities, it just may not be as floriferous..
I would agree that most of the repeating ability is genetics but many roses only repeat well if they have the perfect conditions to do so (which they don't have in many climates). In discussions with people from other climates, the repeating ability is often different for everyone. Many roses stop in hot summer or need a lot of water to repeat. And some roses are the other way around (once-bloomers reblooming in hot climates). The length of the growing season is another huge factor.
BTW you said 'Anne Boleyn' was a slow repeater in your garden. What is a slow repeat for you?
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Books get a bit out of date, as new information comes to light, so there are some mistakes or assertions that people have challenged over the years.. that's to be expected.. I also have is invaluable books on 'Shrubs and Climbers' and 'Perennials'..
If you have an interest in Noisette roses then Virginia Kean's little book 'Noisette Roses.. 19th Century Charleston's Gift to the World' is full of interesting historical facts..
Classic Roses by Peter Beales is a long standing favourite for many people as is David Austin's English Roses which I think has been updated... I used to have these..
The Quest for the Rose by Roger Philipps and Martyn Rix is another to seek out although I don't have it.. Philipps and Rix are well known the world over..
A simpler book by them was simply called 'Roses', full of lovely pictures, not so much information, so an easy read... I used to look at this one nearly all the time.. they also did a series on other garden plants.. I have their 2 volumes on 'Perennials'...
Charles Quest-Ritson has also produced volumes on roses for the modern age, but I don't have any of his works.. he is probably the most pre-eminent expert British rosarian of today..
I'd also like to alert anyone interested to Dr. Liz Perks's website.. The Rosarian Library.. she has amassed a huge collection of the most fascinating historical rose books... her gallery is worth looking at too, and every time I see an Albert Williams painting - I want one.. !.. she highlights a few there..
...not pruning at midsummer is key to getting luciae-wichurana ramblers to continue to produce flowers for the rest of the summer... the fact yours is repeating after a hard cut back, makes me think the Tea rose Mons. Tillier had some influence.. I look forward to seeing the amount of 'quilling'... I believe there's something in Charles Quest-Ritson's encyclopedia of roses that shows it but he's very strict on copyright so we best not try to reproduce that..
... as for posting to HMF, I would place it against the name you received it as, noting ex-Beales UK.. perhaps with a ? .. I haven't checked by expect they're all mixed up anyway..
Maybe it's not the right rose. They wanted red though.
It's east facing.
What should I do?