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..the new ROSE season 2020...

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  • newbie77newbie77 Posts: 1,838
    @Katsa, i planted many roses this spring. some are behind the others. i have started giving tea bag food as suggested by Marlorena to the ones who could do with some help. 

    @Nollie, i will follow your advice and now give them a bit of seaweed too. 
    South West London
  • NollieNollie Posts: 7,529
    Hi @Katsa, it will definitely need more water than the others if the soil is drier and I guess a little extra manure worked in around it won’t harm if the soil is poorer. Hopefully it does just need more time.

    The RHS (see link) say Rose Replant Disease can last in the soil for up to 9 years, which seems a ridiculously long time! I would need to defer to others more experienced than me as to whether your rose might be suffering from it. I have replaced the soil in the planting hole entirely and dusted the roots in mycorrhizal fungi when planting a rose in the spot previously occupied by another and haven’t suffered from it so far...

    https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=572
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    Katsa Out of interest, have you used any microrh. powder or manure when planting? I would leave on hose on each one for a long while.
  • edhelkaedhelka Posts: 2,351
    Both Tantau roses and Kordes roses are quite popular with European gardeners. And I understand, they really try and the competition is fierce. Tantau have Nostalgic roses, Kordes have Fairytale roses. Tantau have a range of small climbers suitable for pots - Starlet miniclimbers, Kordes answered with their new collection Siluetta - small repeating ramblers. Both companies have a wide range of roses (groundcovers, climbers, wildlife roses, HTs...) and they also compete for the ADR award so many of their roses have superb disease resistance. Some seriously good breeding work is happening there.
    While here, everyone loves Austins so much that they can do what they do... Two new roses every year, similar to previous roses. I genuinely think they are getting better and better but how does this end? Even with the strength of the DA brand, how long before people get bored?
  • KatsaKatsa Posts: 278
    @Fire - Yes, I did use Microrh powder and shrub compost. No manure though as I didn't have any. @Nollie We bought the house back in 2017 and the previous owners didn't have any roses in the front. I'm struggling to find photos, but I'm fairly certain it was full of things like crocosmia, weird grasses with berries and that kind of stuff. I'll gently mix in some manure around the plant and maybe try some tomorite to see if that helps. How much water should I give it? About 5 litres per day or therabouts?
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    edited June 2020
    @Katsa
    ..your rose doesn't have replant disease... there's nothing actually wrong there... those bare roots were kept in cold storage - some much longer than others - it suits the vendor, they can sell more and sell later that way, but it's not great for us as those roses can be well behind those that are dug straight from the fields and despatched the same day...  it can take half the season to acclimatise and catch up I have found....

    ...if anyone doubts that, Peter Beales says much the same thing on their website, without naming names...  

    @Nollie
    ...the ones I have are all doing well, a bit later to bloom than other roses, but the foliage is totally healthy,.. they are upright growers, quite stiff, with glossy foliage... but I've had no rain for 2 months, so diseases are minimal here at the moment...
    German bred roses are often better than ones here because they have more strains of black spot to resist than we do, hence they are likely to be more disease resistant.. they caught my attention back in 1986 when I first started with roses, as I found then they performed better... 
    East Anglia, England
  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    Marlorena, oh great Rose guru, off the top of your head, do you know of a good climber that has the same sort of informal ruffled flowers and deep magenta purple colour as R. rug. Rosarie De L'Hay? I fell in love with the latter but have no space for a large shrub really...
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • KatsaKatsa Posts: 278
    @Marlorena - thanks so much! I'll just water and coddle the rose and tell it to pick its heels up! The roses from Cottage Memories came in FAB condition. It's really interesting to see the difference between containerised plants and bareroot plants. 

    @Nollie I'll take a couple of photos of 'pure poetry' if you're interested? 'Proper Job' has also been slipped into my shopping basket ...

  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    edited June 2020
    @Katsa
    ...oh my mistake, I thought you got those from DA.. in that case, I doubt Cottage Memories use cold storage... so that rose is just a bit behind, but I wouldn't worry about that really, and I don't think there's anything extra you need do, especially if you've had some rain...  

    @WillDB
    .. a rose you might like to consider is 'Reine des Violettes'... it's an old fashioned rose that needs some time to establish... but it's thornless, and repeats its bloom cycle and is reasonably healthy too ... 
    ...I do not know of a modern repeat flowering rose that meets your requirements with that bloom form and colour - I think we would all have it..  but R de V will grow as a shrub or short climber to 8 foot or so, that's how I'm training mine, it does like some support as the canes are very flexible... it's also fragrant but will not flower much in its first year...
    ..my other one is 'Gloire de Ducher' but this is disease prone and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone but a collector..
    ..if I can think of another one I'll certainly let you know, but I shall be first in the queue for it... 

    ..actually, I wonder if you might like 'Rose de Rescht'... powerful fragrance, and shorter growth but it's crimson,.. otherwise ticks all the boxes, repeats well.... truly great rose...
     
    East Anglia, England
  • KatsaKatsa Posts: 278
    @Marlorena - you were right. I bought 4 bareroot DA Roald Dahls earlier this year. And then purchased some containerised roses from Cottage Memories - which were delivered yesterday. Interesting point regarding cold storage - does this mean it's better to purchase bare root plants earlier in the season (i.e. November)?
     
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