Tear through? I don’t know a single person who knows anyone who has been seriously ill with Covid,
I do, there have been lots very very ill in the hospital where I work, and a member of staff is dead from it.
How do you think paying your taxes will ‘ensure’ you the care you need if the hospitals are overwhelmed, with all the beds and vents taken and lots off the staff resigned or off sick due to the overwhelming distress of it?
I’m all in favour of a gradual easing, and obviously as much needs to be in place as possible for people who are vulnerable, but we 100% will not cope with the demand on the NHS if we all just go straight back to normal with no mitigation measures in place at all. I guarantee it. Dead bodies will be piling up, hospitals won’t be able to function, people will die from other preventable causes too because the healthcare resources won’t be there to treat them either.
Tear through? I don’t know a single person who knows anyone who has been seriously ill with Covid.
Really? While I don't intend to diminish all your points about the very real costs of lockdown, I do know, and know of, lots of people who have had it. A few 'mild' cases which have not led to hospitalisation but have been horrible, long-lasting and really scary. I know a few people who have lost a parent or other relative to it. And my brother died.
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Tear through? I don’t know a single person who knows anyone who has been seriously ill with Covid.
Really? While I don't intend to diminish all your points about the very real costs of lockdown, I do know, and know of, lots of people who have had it. A few 'mild' cases which have not led to hospitalisation but have been horrible, long-lasting and really scary. I know a few people who have lost a parent or other relative to it. And my brother died.
As an ICU consultant for over 20 years, I planned for and worked during the last 2 pandemics, this one is clearly far worse. Why should ICU staff and others put themselves at risk every day so people can enjoy a cup of coffee with a friend.
Certainly some restrictions need to be lifted, but we should not expect our front line staff to die [ and lots have ] for other peoples pleasure.
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Hi friends, I need a little help or reassurance please. Grand daughter (33 with son 2 and half, separated from hubby last year, independent type, top class job - now furlough) fell ill about 6 weeks ago (said just a cold?), went to stay with friend to help with young son as the cold got worse. Difficulty in breathing and feeling very tired. Phoned Doc who decided that she had bronchial infection. Anti-b's given. Bit better. Suddenly a lot worse a week ago, almost impossible to breathe. Friend called 999, paramedic's also felt sure she had a type of bronchial pneumonia and said to keep resting and finish ante-b's. Two days later she was really gasping for breath, Doc said get yourself to A and E right away. Phoned her ex to come collect child and drove herself to hospital. Into the 'suspicious' ward. Oxygen given, bloods taken etc etc. Tested for covid. Chest x-ray. Bloods said oxygen levels very low. Chest x-ray said lungs very congested and liquid present badly in one. She needs to gasp for a breath every two or three words spoken. Test for covid came back NEGATIVE! Moved out to 'ordinary' ward yesterday. Given a scan. BUT quite suddenly after scan results (not sure what they were), nurses came and 'built' a 'pod' around her bed and gave her a mask to wear no reasons given. This morning nurses arrived again removed all her drips etc, put her in a wheel chair, took her to hospital entrance left her outside with her hospital papers and some more ante-b's, said go home, sit down and drink lots of water. And shut the doors on her. She has no idea exactly what is wrong with her, still cant speak without gasping and is very scared. Had to phone friend to come and collect her and to bring her brother to collect her car (did they expect her to drive herself home as well?) She is in Sussex while I and her Mum are isolating in Wales where we live. To say that we are worried is to put it mildly! Can anyone tell me what she might be suffering from - could she have had the virus and be now having delayed problems, but if so why has she not been offered more help? Thank you for reading all this - stay safe and good luck to you all.
It’s not the same for us all lots of us are going to work, travelling on buses and interacting very closely with the public and work colleagues. Some people are at greater risk than others and it’s up to the individual to make their own decisions. I think one of the worst things about this situation is the constant judging of others
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By the same for all of us I mean the rules are the same and we're all restricted in the choices we can make, the people we can see. Some are suffering more than others, some are taking bigger risks, but we're all losing something.
As others have said, the trouble is that it's just not as simple as saying we should all be free to make a choice about what risks we expose ourselves to - because our choices have consequences for others that we can't control or even fully understand. It's frustrating and hard but this just isn't a question of individual liberty and nothing more than that. I don't think it's judgemental to say that, I think it's just a fact - though of course we can argue backwards and forwards about the degree to which our being free to see who we chose or to decide what rules we follow or not has impacts on other people.
I get the issue with judging others; folk who are great normally at judging people are going into overdrive now. But here too I think there's a bit more nuance. There are folk feeling that if they are making sacrifices it feels unjust if there neighbour refuses too. And others feeling that the way they see others behaving may have an impact on them or people they love and care about. Sure there are people being genuinely snooty, but there are also genuine reasons why some people struggle when they see folk refusing to follow the rules that are beyond just being 'judgy'.
The points you make later about company being essential are well-made, and why the balance eventually starts to tip inevitably into releasing restrictions, even when it's not the most ideal thing to do from the point of view of suppressing the disease.
I thought I must just pop in and update you on my son. He came off the ventilator last week and they did a Tracheostomy. They also inserted pacer wires for a pacemaker should it have been needed at the time - which it wasn't until twenty four hours later. He seemed to be quite stable until yesterday when he had a heart attack, they resuscitated him and now he is stable again. We are under no illusion that what the outcome may be. The emotional side of this for the family is dreadful. Thank goodness for my garden it's keeping me sane at the moment - well maybe my OH wouldn't agree with me! I must start posting on here again, I have been looking in and I know some of you are also in a similar position, Hugs to all and stay safe.
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@AnnaB. Sounds just like how my son started his illness, NHS didn’t have a clue what was wrong with him, wasn’t until he’d completely collapsed and was taken in by ambulance that they found out what it was.. it was pure luck that the duty doctor had just done his thesis on the illness so knew what it was, if it wasn’t for him, son wouldn’t be here now. Then because he’s the only one in the area with it, they didn’t want to pay for the right treatment, long story from them on, When my son is due for his 6 monthly treatment, he gasps after every word.
I sincerely hope your granddaughter will get better, if she’s still ill I would advise going back, shout and scream, kick up merry hell, then they will look at her again more closely. Unfortunately you have to fight to get anywhere.
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I’m all in favour of a gradual easing, and obviously as much needs to be in place as possible for people who are vulnerable, but we 100% will not cope with the demand on the NHS if we all just go straight back to normal with no mitigation measures in place at all. I guarantee it. Dead bodies will be piling up, hospitals won’t be able to function, people will die from other preventable causes too because the healthcare resources won’t be there to treat them either.
Certainly some restrictions need to be lifted, but we should not expect our front line staff to die [ and lots have ] for other peoples pleasure.
When you don't even know who's in the team
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When my son is due for his 6 monthly treatment, he gasps after every word.
I sincerely hope your granddaughter will get better, if she’s still ill I would advise going back, shout and scream, kick up merry hell, then they will look at her again more closely.
Unfortunately you have to fight to get anywhere.