I'm not a medical professional so stand to be corrected but isn't immunisation & vaccination two separate things? Covid jabs don't make you immune nor will they eradicate the disease unlike measles or smallpox.
My oldest daughter,52, had jabs last year plus the flu one,she and my nextdoor neighbour were absolutely terrified, she was hysterical, screaming at me,on the phone in 2020, that I mustn't go outside! She's had it several times. This summer was so ill she couldn't even climb the stairs Yet, they have both decided they aren't having anymore jabs. Both grownups,in their 50s. There are now so many antivaxers on MUMSNET, everyone knows someone who has had cardiac problems or blood clots caused by the vaccines.
If they've had Covid that often & that badly despite being vaccinated is it surprising they've lost confidence in it?
My oldest daughter,52, had jabs last year plus the flu one,she and my nextdoor neighbour were absolutely terrified, she was hysterical, screaming at me,on the phone in 2020, that I mustn't go outside! She's had it several times. This summer was so ill she couldn't even climb the stairs Yet, they have both decided they aren't having anymore jabs. Both grownups,in their 50s. There are now so many antivaxers on MUMSNET, everyone knows someone who has had cardiac problems or blood clots caused by the vaccines.
If they've had Covid that often & that badly despite being vaccinated is it surprising they've lost confidence in it?
?! They're alive aren't they? How do you know without the vaccine that they wouldn't be dead? Feeling bad is slightly better than not feeling at all - ever - eh?
My oldest daughter,52, had jabs last year plus the flu one,she and my nextdoor neighbour were absolutely terrified, she was hysterical, screaming at me,on the phone in 2020, that I mustn't go outside! She's had it several times. This summer was so ill she couldn't even climb the stairs Yet, they have both decided they aren't having anymore jabs. Both grownups,in their 50s. There are now so many antivaxers on MUMSNET, everyone knows someone who has had cardiac problems or blood clots caused by the vaccines.
If they've had Covid that often & that badly despite being vaccinated is it surprising they've lost confidence in it?
?! They're alive aren't they? How do you know without the vaccine that they wouldn't be dead? Feeling bad is slightly better than not feeling at all - ever - eh?
Huh...so by that logic if they hadn't had the jabs they'd be dead?? Feeling bad??.. " so ill they couldn't climb the stairs" ..on top of contracting Covid several times...ie more than twice. I'd suggest that may influence ones decision to have further vaccinations.
Yet, they have both decided they aren't
having anymore jabs.
I presume they won't be going to the doctor or the hospital if they get Covid or flu badly.
Should the NHS also stop treating people who become ill because of smoking or alcohol abuse or drug use or those who participate in activities or sports with a high risk of injury? The NHS is there to treat the sick, they're not there to judge if treatment is to be given based on morality or the consequences of individuals actions...and that includes those who choose not to have Covid jabs.
I don’t think for a minute that the vaccine gives people covid or that it contains anything inherently harmful although of course others may disagree. It’s just that almost everyone I know who has had covid was vaccinated and so I understand people doubting the point of it. My fiancé was extremely unwell, went to hospital and they wanted to keep him in but he was equally unwell with swine flu a few years ago. I was poorly for a few days, again that’s usual for me with any virus. Very similar to a bad cold.
If people want the vaccines they should of course be given them but I don’t know anyone under 70 who is interested in having one although most have had the first 2 vaccines.
I don’t think for a minute that the vaccine gives people covid or that it contains anything inherently harmful although of course others may disagree. It’s just that almost everyone I know who has had covid was vaccinated and so I understand people doubting the point of it. My fiancé was extremely unwell, went to hospital and they wanted to keep him in but he was equally unwell with swine flu a few years ago. I was poorly for a few days, again that’s usual for me with any virus. Very similar to a bad cold.
If people want the vaccines they should of course be given them but I don’t know anyone under 70 who is interested in having one although most have had the first 2 vaccines.
According to the government Covid dashboard 40% of people aged 65-70 have had their autumn booster. I'm 64 and I had mine today. OH (also 64) has his booked for Tuesday this week.
Should the NHS also stop treating people who become ill because of smoking or alcohol abuse or drug use or those who participate in activities or sports with a high risk of injury?
Arguably not. I certainly think that eejits who climb everest, or go up Ben Nevis in flip flops, should do so at their own risk and certainly cover their own costs. Don't put other people's lives in danger by foolishly risking your own. Don't expect emergency services and volunteers to scramble to pull you out, when you knew it was a stupid thing to do in the first place.
The list of base jumpers, free climbers and wing suit fliers who are now dead by their pursuits, it's a very long list.
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But it doesn't "give you heart attacks". And you are not more likely to get covid after the jab unless you take idiot risks.
Feeling bad??.. " so ill they couldn't climb the stairs" ..on top of contracting Covid several times...ie more than twice.
I'd suggest that may influence ones decision to have further vaccinations.
The NHS is there to treat the sick, they're not there to judge if treatment is to be given based on morality or the consequences of individuals actions...and that includes those who choose not to have Covid jabs.
According to the government Covid dashboard 40% of people aged 65-70 have had their autumn booster. I'm 64 and I had mine today. OH (also 64) has his booked for Tuesday this week.