@chicky the problem is that the longer elderly folk remain inactive in hospital the weaker they become and the more likely they are to become âbed blockersâ so itâs in the Bed Managerâs interest as well as the patientâs, Â to get them back to some sort of ânormalityâ.Â
The other thing is that when asked by a busy nurse/manager whether theyâve got someone to help look after them at home a proud elderly chap will say something like âOh yes, no problem there ... Iâve a couple of daughters, theyâre very good ... theyâll see me all rightâ.Â
My late Pa told the hospital that his wife would look after him if he was discharged when unable to walk ... she couldnât walk without a zimmer and then only a few paces and in extreme pain.Â
But when the Bed Manager is putting pressure on them to discharge, the nursing staff  hear what they want to hear and take the information at face value. Thatâs why itâs good to involve the hospital social worker who is more likely to ferret out information about the home situation. The problem there is that the (usually only one) hospital social worker will have a stack of referrals on their desk which will take several days to work through, so by the time your dadâs file had reached the top of the pile heâll already have been sent home in a taxi. đ Â
You really do need to raise this (quite strongly) with PALS at the very least.Â
Hope your Dadâs soon feeling chipper again. đÂ
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@chicky - I find your Dadâs scenario a bit alarming. It is great that he is âwellâ enough to be discharged but the usual form is that it is only in specific circumstances that people are discharged with drains etc (usually younger people with straightforward drains) but even then they should have a contact number for queries/help with the drain/wounds plus regular appointments with a nurse or hospital to check the drains/wounds. I would contact the surgeonâs secretary on Monday and ask for clarification about when the drains will be checked/removed etc. I would also speak to the hospitalâs âpatient feedbackâ/complaints team re the discharge itself. I hope that your Dadâs recovery is straightforward and comfortable from now on.Â
Lovely to see you @Dordogne Damsel, glad things are going so well. Glad you had a good holiday, @Dovefromabove Unfortunately @chicky, the story of your father is becoming common place and it is leading to more and more emergency re-admissions, so it actually achieves nothing.
Trying to get used to being home alone, had 3 days and nights this week, can't say it is much fun, but I am sure we will adapt. It would be so much easier if the weather was better, so I could get lost in the garden.
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@Chicky - have to agree with @Dovefromabove. Apart from anything else, sending him homelike that is short-sighted as it could have led to all sorts of complications and him back in hospital and worse rather than better.  They don't all have resourceful families like yours.
It's a mild grey day with bits of silvery sunny bits poking thru.  I shall go and hunt out some more brassica plugs at France Rural and think about taking rose cuttings again. My last lot all got blown to bits by Miguel and then those I did manage to rescue got baked by the heatwaves.
"never trust the tories with the NHS" has been a mantra of mine for years.Â
Is anyone following this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49862859 Is Boris totally transforming himself and those close to him into Tango Faced Trump? All we need next is the word " witch-hunt " . If he's done nothing wrong, then he'll be vindicated by any investigation. What's he got to hide?
We are home đĄ. We stopped off at the farm of my early childhood and said hello and bought provisions for the weekend ... bread, cauliflower, black kale, spuds, apples, eggs, ham, sausages, a loin of pork half the price in the supermarkets, pickled onions, and a big jar of their own honey.Â
Now my feet are up and Iâm eating a ham and pickled onion sandwich and OH is unpacking.
NDN was in her front garden when we arrived so sheâs had her box of clotted cream fudge as a well earned reward for watering plants and feeding the hedgehogs. đÂ
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Afternoon all, Glad you're back home safe and sound @Dovefromabove . @chicky can't believe how badly your father was treated. Never had that problem with our local hospital and mum has been admitted loads of times. They always had a plan in place for her discharge and talked to me about it. She was sent to a local nursing home on a couple of occasions for a few weeks before being sent home. The last time it happened they decided that she shouldn't be living alone and a social worker came and chatted to me about options. Dove's right, complain to PALs.
I've been busy in the garden this morning cutting back ivy and jasmine. Left the central tree until late winter as the bees are enjoying the ivy flowers at the moment. Also cut the lawn. Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend.
Glad you're both safely home @Dovefromabove but a bit concerned you may not have enough food for you both for the weekend!
Those naked gentlemen would look good growing up thru @B3's black lily turf.
We have been out to buy some more Savoy cabbage plugs and baby oak leaf lettuce and more netting and some bulbs and seeds leapt into the trolly too - allium Purple Sensation cos you can never have enough of those, some two tone pink and cream botanical tulips and an assortment of scented jonquils. The seeds are for leeks and sweet peas.
Thence to Lolita's home to pick up OH's golf stuff and car contents which she and her OH kindly fetched back for us.  She's wearing quite a serious neck brace for the next week and then needs more scans. I took her home-made oatmeal, peanut butter and chocolate chip biscuits to help with the dementors. Kept some of the batch back for OH as he's still feeling stiff and sore and is upset about his car too.
Have also made yet another batch of reduced, seasoned and liquidised passata from another big tub of tomatoes.  Probably still another couple of batches to pick and process.
I know @Obelixx ... Iâm concerned too ... weâll have to be a bit more abstemious than we were on holiday đ đ If we run short weâve got plenty of tomatoes that have been ripening indoors while we were away  đÂ
Do please tell Mr O to treat himself gently ... heâs been through a very nasty experience. Best wishes to him from us. Â
There  were spells of very heavy rain yesterday when the motorway traffic slowed to 30mph and it was all we could  do to distinguish the lane markings very close to the car. At times like that you realise how vulnerable cars are when large lorries are about and how much trust we place in our âneighboursâ along the way to keep each other safe. We saw some driving that was just plain daft ... at one stage a van driver and I exchanged despairing looks and gesticulations at the antics of one particular idiot (why are they always in BMWs?  Iâm not saying all BMW drivers are idiots but they do seem to be the car if choice for the prats who want to risk their own lives and take us with them).  However there were also some excellent pieces of driving, in particular one lorry driver who could see from his high vantage point that there was a problem ahead ... the two left lanes were already stationary and he edged his lorry carefully across and stopped, blocking  the right hand lane until the congestion ahead had cleared ... if heâd not done that the faster traffic in the right hand lane could well have rounded the bend and ploughed into stationary traffic.Â
However ... the driver of the delivery van seen texting and driving so close to the lorry in front that he nearly hit it should beware cos the sh*t will shortly be hitting the fan ... I shall be Googling for his companyâs email address đ€Ź
edited to say ... I have his companyâs contact details đÂ
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The other thing is that when asked by a busy nurse/manager whether theyâve got someone to help look after them at home a proud elderly chap will say something like âOh yes, no problem there ... Iâve a couple of daughters, theyâre very good ... theyâll see me all rightâ.Â
My late Pa told the hospital that his wife would look after him if he was discharged when unable to walk ... she couldnât walk without a zimmer and then only a few paces and in extreme pain.Â
But when the Bed Manager is putting pressure on them to discharge, the nursing staff  hear what they want to hear and take the information at face value. Thatâs why itâs good to involve the hospital social worker who is more likely to ferret out information about the home situation. The problem there is that the (usually only one) hospital social worker will have a stack of referrals on their desk which will take several days to work through, so by the time your dadâs file had reached the top of the pile heâll
already have been sent home in a taxi. đ Â
You really do need to raise this (quite strongly) with PALS at the very least.Â
Hope your Dadâs soon feeling chipper again. đÂ
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
@chicky - I find your Dadâs scenario a bit alarming. It is great that he is âwellâ enough to be discharged but the usual form is that it is only in specific circumstances that people are discharged with drains etc (usually younger people with straightforward drains) but even then they should have a contact number for queries/help with the drain/wounds plus regular appointments with a nurse or hospital to check the drains/wounds. I would contact the surgeonâs secretary on Monday and ask for clarification about when the drains will be checked/removed etc. I would also speak to the hospitalâs âpatient feedbackâ/complaints team re the discharge itself. I hope that your Dadâs recovery is straightforward and comfortable from now on.Â
Have a a great weekend all - catch up later.Â
Lovely to see you @Dordogne Damsel, glad things are going so well.
Glad you had a good holiday, @Dovefromabove
Unfortunately @chicky, the story of your father is becoming common place and it is leading to more and more emergency re-admissions, so it actually achieves nothing.
Trying to get used to being home alone, had 3 days and nights this week, can't say it is much fun, but I am sure we will adapt. It would be so much easier if the weather was better, so I could get lost in the garden.
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@Dordogne Damsel - so good to see you you coming thru, happy and strong.  You too @Fairygirl.
It's a mild grey day with bits of silvery sunny bits poking thru.  I shall go and hunt out some more brassica plugs at France Rural and think about taking rose cuttings again. My last lot all got blown to bits by Miguel and then those I did manage to rescue got baked by the heatwaves.
Is anyone following this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49862859
Is Boris totally transforming himself and those close to him into Tango Faced Trump?
All we need next is the word " witch-hunt " .
If he's done nothing wrong, then he'll be vindicated by any investigation.
What's he got to hide?
Now my feet are up and Iâm eating a ham and pickled onion sandwich and OH is unpacking.
NDN was in her front garden when we arrived so sheâs had her box of clotted cream fudge as a well earned reward for watering plants and feeding the hedgehogs. đÂ
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
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Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Those naked gentlemen would look good growing up thru @B3's black lily turf.
We have been out to buy some more Savoy cabbage plugs and baby oak leaf lettuce and more netting and some bulbs and seeds leapt into the trolly too - allium Purple Sensation cos you can never have enough of those, some two tone pink and cream botanical tulips and an assortment of scented jonquils. The seeds are for leeks and sweet peas.
Thence to Lolita's home to pick up OH's golf stuff and car contents which she and her OH kindly fetched back for us.  She's wearing quite a serious neck brace for the next week and then needs more scans. I took her home-made oatmeal, peanut butter and chocolate chip biscuits to help with the dementors. Kept some of the batch back for OH as he's still feeling stiff and sore and is upset about his car too.
Have also made yet another batch of reduced, seasoned and liquidised passata from another big tub of tomatoes.  Probably still another couple of batches to pick and process.
Now to go and sew.
Do please tell Mr O to treat himself gently ... heâs been through a very nasty experience. Best wishes to him from us. Â
There  were spells of very heavy rain yesterday when the motorway traffic slowed to 30mph and it was all we could  do to distinguish the lane markings very close to the car. At times like that you realise how vulnerable cars are when large lorries are about and how much trust we place in our âneighboursâ along the way to keep each other safe.Â
We saw some driving that was just plain daft ... at one stage a van driver and I exchanged despairing looks and gesticulations at the antics of one particular idiot (why are they always in BMWs?  Iâm not saying all BMW drivers are idiots but they do seem to be the car if choice for the prats who want to risk their own lives and take us with them).  However there were also some excellent pieces of driving, in particular one lorry driver who could see from his high vantage point that there was a problem ahead ... the two left lanes were already stationary and he edged his lorry carefully across and stopped, blocking  the right hand lane until the congestion ahead had cleared ... if heâd not done that the faster traffic in the right hand lane could well have rounded the bend and ploughed into stationary traffic.Â
However ... the driver of the delivery van seen texting and driving so close to the lorry in front that he nearly hit it should beware cos the sh*t will shortly be hitting the fan ... I shall be Googling for his companyâs email address đ€Ź
edited to say ... I have his companyâs contact details đÂ
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.