You can be an unhealthy vegan or a healthy vegan, just like you can be healthy/unhealthy eating a diet containing animal protein. It’s all down to what you choose to eat and making sure you are eating a balanced diet, regardless of whether that includes animal protein or protein from plants.
I know a meat eater suffering from gout and high blood pressure, but I wouldn’t make the statement that all meat eaters are unhealthy - this particular individual has made poor diet and lifestyle choices, but that doesn’t mean all meat eaters suffer from poor health. I think making blanket statements about an entire group based on a couple accounts of individuals is faulty.
Regarding raising a baby vegan, there is no reason a vegan diet cannot be as healthy as a non-vegan diet, and in fact the NHS has said it is perfectly fine. The only change you need to make is to make sure your child’s multivitamin/mineral contains B12. Everything else can come from plant sources.
Side note - you can get B12 from sea vegetables, which is not popular in Western cultures but is popular in Eastern cultures, where traditionally very little animal protein aside from fish is eaten.
From the other side of the forthcoming chain-link fence/big boris wall, there are a few UK treats that occasionally come our way via CryinAir that will be missed (Cornish crab, Scottish smoked haddock, choice of seed potatoes, certain veg seeds). Still, we can live very happily off the back of the Catalan land and neighbouring France.
Quite what all those numpties in Fuengirola will do when the supplies run out at the local Brit shop will do... Yes I’m talking to you, you ex-pat in your union jack hat who actually voted for BreckSh*t. Serve you right if you have to wait four hours to enter Gibraltar and face riots in Morrisons over the last packet of hobnobs. Hope someone brains you with a tin of Fray Bentos.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Could all be a very good thing, as post war health was extremely good. Could solve the diabetes and obesity crisis too so would save the NHS an extremely large fortune. Many other illnesses are now being shown to be affected by bad diet, like heart attacks. Slight problem of the tea and coffee, bit I’m sure people could cope!
the thought that any country would willingly inflict wartime deprivation on itself out of nostalgia for ‘the good old days’ is totally bananas ....
I’m not talking about bringing back rationing, but merely thinking that if the balance tipped toward more homegrown products and fewer imported processed potatoes and other luxuries then we might find a benefit in health terms. A shift in the nation’s general eating habits could be a good thing to my mind.
I’m not talking about bringing back rationing, but merely thinking that if the balance tipped toward more homegrown products and fewer imported processed potatoes and other luxuries then we might find a benefit in health terms. A shift in the nation’s general eating habits could be a good thing to my mind.
Nothing has been preventing us from doing this and yet we haven't so far, 'we' are not prepared to pay what it costs to produce food in this country, where land, fuel and labour are expensive.
Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
Have to agree with Nollie. I've been stocking up on Golden Syrup for my baking for functions.
The Netherlands grow masses of bell peppers and the UK climate is gerat for all sorts of crops, not jst neeps and tatties, that can be very tasty and nutritious but the main problem seems to me is that at the bottom of the social scale people don't know how to cook or manage healthy nutrition. If they did they'd save a fortune on all their fast food takeaways and be alot healthier. Did anyone see that Hugh f-W series about egtting Newastle-upon-Tyne to lose weight and the woman who took him to task about poverty and food choices?
There's a lot more to this than just being self sufficient in meat, fish and veg. Ask yourselves why so much Welsh lamb is exported and the majority of fish and shellfish caught in UK waters ends up in Spain and France.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
Round here they state very clearly where fruit and veg are from and have bigger writing on the panels for local, medium for French which includes Martinique in the Caribbean, normal for EU (usually Spain) and small for elsewhere. We buy local where possible but are working towards growing more and more of our own.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
Thanks for the reminder about golden syrup @Obelixx, a shortage of OH’s billionaire caramel shortbread would be an international disaster!
Around here, the produce is not the cheapest, but the Catalans are very nationalistic and one good thing from that is the promotion and use of local produce. Even the big supermarket chains promote it and have a 100km radius limit for meat, dairy and veg.
I get what you are saying about lack of cooking skills and overuse of expensive pre-packaged, processed food. However my sister has four kids and struggles to make ends meet. She finds its a lot cheaper to buy frozen from Iceland than to make similar dishes with fresh produce, so it’s not just ignorance. She isn’t ignorant or lacking in skills. Just skint.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
You can be an unhealthy vegan or a healthy vegan, just like you can be healthy/unhealthy eating a diet containing animal protein. It’s all down to what you choose to eat and making sure you are eating a balanced diet, regardless of whether that includes animal protein or protein from plants.
I know a meat eater suffering from gout and high blood pressure, but I wouldn’t make the statement that all meat eaters are unhealthy - this particular individual has made poor diet and lifestyle choices, but that doesn’t mean all meat eaters suffer from poor health. I think making blanket statements about an entire group based on a couple accounts of individuals is faulty.
Regarding raising a baby vegan, there is no reason a vegan diet cannot be as healthy as a non-vegan diet, and in fact the NHS has said it is perfectly fine. The only change you need to make is to make sure your child’s multivitamin/mineral contains B12. Everything else can come from plant sources.
Side note - you can get B12 from sea vegetables, which is not popular in Western cultures but is popular in Eastern cultures, where traditionally very little animal protein aside from fish is eaten.
Oh no dont get me wrong - I agree you can be healthy or unhealthy no matter the diet 'framework' or type. However its when vegans tell many 'facts' about an animal based diet that are out of context or simply not true, quite frankly theres a lot of propaganda and thats what bugs me.
I also think its a case by case basis and even done properly a vegan diet may not be adequate for a certain person's biology and metabolism. I think we're all different, mainly due to genetics and if it works for you go with it! I know people who are vegan and are very healthy, likewise I know people who eat animal products and are very healthy! I'd never force or care for anyone to do something that I do as we're all on our own journey, and just because it works for me doesnt mean it works for someone else.
I think like anything people can become overzealous when they've adopted something they consider lifechanging, whether it be religion, or diet, etc, and certainly it can get heated on both sides. I personally believe in live and let live, so long as you aren't harming someone with your actions. I would never try to tell someone what they should or shouldn't eat, and trying to force someone into veganism through "fact bombardment" will just have the opposite effect. Besides which, it's not an easy lifestyle to stick to unless you yourself feel quite strongly about it.
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I know a meat eater suffering from gout and high blood pressure, but I wouldn’t make the statement that all meat eaters are unhealthy - this particular individual has made poor diet and lifestyle choices, but that doesn’t mean all meat eaters suffer from poor health. I think making blanket statements about an entire group based on a couple accounts of individuals is faulty.
Regarding raising a baby vegan, there is no reason a vegan diet cannot be as healthy as a non-vegan diet, and in fact the NHS has said it is perfectly fine. The only change you need to make is to make sure your child’s multivitamin/mineral contains B12. Everything else can come from plant sources.
Side note - you can get B12 from sea vegetables, which is not popular in Western cultures but is popular in Eastern cultures, where traditionally very little animal protein aside from fish is eaten.
Quite what all those numpties in Fuengirola will do when the supplies run out at the local Brit shop will do... Yes I’m talking to you, you ex-pat in your union jack hat who actually voted for BreckSh*t. Serve you right if you have to wait four hours to enter Gibraltar and face riots in Morrisons over the last packet of hobnobs. Hope someone brains you with a tin of Fray Bentos.
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
The Netherlands grow masses of bell peppers and the UK climate is gerat for all sorts of crops, not jst neeps and tatties, that can be very tasty and nutritious but the main problem seems to me is that at the bottom of the social scale people don't know how to cook or manage healthy nutrition. If they did they'd save a fortune on all their fast food takeaways and be alot healthier. Did anyone see that Hugh f-W series about egtting Newastle-upon-Tyne to lose weight and the woman who took him to task about poverty and food choices?
There's a lot more to this than just being self sufficient in meat, fish and veg. Ask yourselves why so much Welsh lamb is exported and the majority of fish and shellfish caught in UK waters ends up in Spain and France.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Around here, the produce is not the cheapest, but the Catalans are very nationalistic and one good thing from that is the promotion and use of local produce. Even the big supermarket chains promote it and have a 100km radius limit for meat, dairy and veg.
I get what you are saying about lack of cooking skills and overuse of expensive pre-packaged, processed food. However my sister has four kids and struggles to make ends meet. She finds its a lot cheaper to buy frozen from Iceland than to make similar dishes with fresh produce, so it’s not just ignorance. She isn’t ignorant or lacking in skills. Just skint.
I also think its a case by case basis and even done properly a vegan diet may not be adequate for a certain person's biology and metabolism. I think we're all different, mainly due to genetics and if it works for you go with it! I know people who are vegan and are very healthy, likewise I know people who eat animal products and are very healthy! I'd never force or care for anyone to do something that I do as we're all on our own journey, and just because it works for me doesnt mean it works for someone else.
Sorry for rambling!