Going back to Buttercup question . I don't normally reply on political questions but nobody try answered your question direct.
From what can gather if there is no deal whats so ever we will revert to WTO, going to WTO its more likely they will be less EU products available due to it being more expensive to buy food / drink from the EU than say USA or Brazil etc, something to do with the CAP the EU gives farmers and wealthy land owners in this country and other EU country's. It wont happen over night EU products will be still on the shelves after Bday it will be the consumers who will dictate whats on the shelves. For example a piece of pork costs £2 from New Zealand and a piece of pork cost £3 from Ireland which one are you most likely going to buy. If the UK signs a free trade deal with NZ the piece of pork will be even cheaper.
The Customs Union is a big debate at the moment, some what to stay other don't. If the UK stayed in the CU the piece of pork will have zero tariffs or low tariffs making it cheaper than the NZ pork, because the NZ pork will have full tariffs on it set by the EU, if the pork was imported anyway with full tariffs I think the EU takes a cut of any money made applying tariffs. you can't sign free trade agreement in a CU.
Unless the UK stayed in a CU I think what I said in the first paragraph may happen anyway but free trade agreements will apply with other country's for agricultural products.
A lot of car parts are patten made now ( copies ) unless you need a genuine part it may not make much difference cause the copy probably made in china.
I am not sure about what going to happen with the bulbs from Holland, I have noticed the price go up in the GC, I just bought less bulbs than I normally do. I probably save most of my tulips this year and see what happens, I get fresh ones every year.
Irrespective of whether it's the what or the who which is claimed to be stupid, it's simply an opinion rather than a fact. Over half the people who voted didn't, and don't, believe a stupid decision was made.
The only previous vote the people of the UK were given was on joining the Common Market, not the European Economic Community, and certainly not on being rules by unelected fat cats sitting in another country. My belief is that the majority of those who voted to leave did so because they are sick of having no control over what happens in this country. It's not racism, it's not a 'Little England' mentality. What is an undeniable fact is that the parents and grandparents of many people in this country fought for us to be free to make our own decisions, and that's not a freedom which should be thrown away lightly.
The Government, in their arrogance, thought 'the people' would simply do as they were told - they were wrong. They asked a question and we answered it as we wanted, not how they wanted.
This thread is a perfect example of why we need a “like” button. Some I like , some I definitely don’t.
I do wonder where we will get our vegetables from. Personally I like the variety we get from Europe. English people no longer want to work on Lincolnshire farms. It used to be the case, pre EU, that most vegetables pickers were women working out of school hours.......can’t see many English people wanting to return to that. I read last week of winter veg rotting in East Anglian fields because of not enough pickers. Kent and Sussex orchards are no more ; the garden of England is long gone with the orchards grubbed up and motorways built in their place. There are Southern European countries who value their British markets and will want it to continue the current trade arrangements .
Redwing, still a remainer. In fact even more of a remainer the more i learn.
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Based in Sussex, I garden to encourage as many birds to my garden as possible.
Thanks Perki for adressing my question and not ones I didn't ask. I was tryimg not to be political, but everything is so hopelessly entangled that it is hard to avoid it becoming so.
I realise that deals can be made eventually but that they may take a long time and I genuinely didn't know what might happen in the immediate aftermath, given that many businesses operate on a 'just in time ' basis.
It is frightening to read the labels on things liike fruit and veg and see the air miles involved in getting our shelves filled. A single pack of 'stir fry ' veg has products from 3 different countries and 'seasonal ' veg scarcely exist any more. We are so profligate with all our resources, with no real thought for the future or the welfare of our children and grandchildren.
As I am vegetarian some meat - based issues don't affect me directly, but the anti-biotic use one may have dire consequences for all of us one day. There are other concerns too, like the use of glyphosate to prevent moulds in grains. Do I buy wholegrain, which is 'healthier' (and tastes better!) or processed white bread which contains less glyphosate?
That everything will be more expensive I take as a given! Inflation is already evident in my shopping trolley, and at rathetr more than the supposed 3%. 50p on a previously £3.50 pack of catfood, 5p on a 55p pack of rolls,and so on.
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Going back to Buttercup question . I don't normally reply on political questions but nobody try answered your question direct.
From what can gather if there is no deal whats so ever we will revert to WTO, going to WTO its more likely they will be less EU products available due to it being more expensive to buy food / drink from the EU than say USA or Brazil etc, something to do with the CAP the EU gives farmers and wealthy land owners in this country and other EU country's. It wont happen over night EU products will be still on the shelves after Bday it will be the consumers who will dictate whats on the shelves. For example a piece of pork costs £2 from New Zealand and a piece of pork cost £3 from Ireland which one are you most likely going to buy. If the UK signs a free trade deal with NZ the piece of pork will be even cheaper.
The Customs Union is a big debate at the moment, some what to stay other don't. If the UK stayed in the CU the piece of pork will have zero tariffs or low tariffs making it cheaper than the NZ pork, because the NZ pork will have full tariffs on it set by the EU, if the pork was imported anyway with full tariffs I think the EU takes a cut of any money made applying tariffs. you can't sign free trade agreement in a CU.
Unless the UK stayed in a CU I think what I said in the first paragraph may happen anyway but free trade agreements will apply with other country's for agricultural products.
A lot of car parts are patten made now ( copies ) unless you need a genuine part it may not make much difference cause the copy probably made in china.
I am not sure about what going to happen with the bulbs from Holland, I have noticed the price go up in the GC, I just bought less bulbs than I normally do. I probably save most of my tulips this year and see what happens, I get fresh ones every year.
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What I'm concerned about is the meat etc that we will import from USA containing ggrowth hormones and various other Frankenstein foods
The profligate use of antibiotics at sub-therapeutic levels intentionally to growth promoters also concerns me hugely B3,
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Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Irrespective of whether it's the what or the who which is claimed to be stupid, it's simply an opinion rather than a fact. Over half the people who voted didn't, and don't, believe a stupid decision was made.
The only previous vote the people of the UK were given was on joining the Common Market, not the European Economic Community, and certainly not on being rules by unelected fat cats sitting in another country. My belief is that the majority of those who voted to leave did so because they are sick of having no control over what happens in this country. It's not racism, it's not a 'Little England' mentality. What is an undeniable fact is that the parents and grandparents of many people in this country fought for us to be free to make our own decisions, and that's not a freedom which should be thrown away lightly.
The Government, in their arrogance, thought 'the people' would simply do as they were told - they were wrong. They asked a question and we answered it as we wanted, not how they wanted.
And will we have any more say in our elective dictatorship?
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This thread is a perfect example of why we need a “like” button. Some I like , some I definitely don’t.
I do wonder where we will get our vegetables from. Personally I like the variety we get from Europe. English people no longer want to work on Lincolnshire farms. It used to be the case, pre EU, that most vegetables pickers were women working out of school hours.......can’t see many English people wanting to return to that. I read last week of winter veg rotting in East Anglian fields because of not enough pickers. Kent and Sussex orchards are no more ; the garden of England is long gone with the orchards grubbed up and motorways built in their place. There are Southern European countries who value their British markets and will want it to continue the current trade arrangements .
Redwing, still a remainer. In fact even more of a remainer the more i learn.
Last edited: 11 February 2018 19:13:50
Thanks Perki for adressing my question and not ones I didn't ask.
I was tryimg not to be political, but everything is so hopelessly entangled that it is hard to avoid it becoming so.
I realise that deals can be made eventually but that they may take a long time and I genuinely didn't know what might happen in the immediate aftermath, given that many businesses operate on a 'just in time ' basis.
It is frightening to read the labels on things liike fruit and veg and see the air miles involved in getting our shelves filled. A single pack of 'stir fry ' veg has products from 3 different countries and 'seasonal ' veg scarcely exist any more. We are so profligate with all our resources, with no real thought for the future or the welfare of our children and grandchildren.
As I am vegetarian some meat - based issues don't affect me directly, but the anti-biotic use one may have dire consequences for all of us one day. There are other concerns too, like the use of glyphosate to prevent moulds in grains. Do I buy wholegrain, which is 'healthier' (and tastes better!) or processed white bread which contains less glyphosate?
That everything will be more expensive I take as a given! Inflation is already evident in my shopping trolley, and at rathetr more than the supposed 3%. 50p on a previously £3.50 pack of catfood, 5p on a 55p pack of rolls,and so on.
The definition of science fiction is that it must contain advanced technology or science that is nowhere near of what we have today.
1984 does not.
Gawd, I expect Pansy is now REALLY wishing she had HAUDED HER WHEESHT.
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