I tolerate everything, even foxes that eat the ducks and badgers that raid their nests, but I hate crows too. If a sheep has fallen or got stuck and can't get up, as happens sometimes, crows will peck their eyes out, even if they are still alive.
Human beings control and manage the landscape in order to produce food and homes - this in its turn causes inbalances in populations of various types of wildlife - knowledgeable and humane management of these populations allows for a wide variety of flora and fauna to co-exist on what is quite a small group of islands.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Dove, humane management? Don't believe all the hype you read please. Hardly any of our dealings with animals are humane. For example, just last year with the badger cull, it was deemed inhumane with the badgers taking over 5 mins to die. This was the official report by the way, not just my take on it. So we killed lots of badgers, slow death and all to protect livestock. Which didn't work. A perfect example of where we humans kill for greed and didn't get it right anyway. Why not use inoculation and sterilisation to control numbers instead?
And this is miles away from someone killing squirrels coz they simply don't like em.
BMam - please don't put words in my mouth or wilfully misinterpret what I said - I said that 'humane management of these populations allows for .... '.
I certainly did not say that all human attempts at management are humane - and please don't patronise me - I'm a country girl born and bred from a family of countrymen and women who can trace our rural roots back many generations and I don't take notice of 'hype' - my views are based on first hand experience.
And before anyone jumps to conclusions about farmers, even back in the 50s and 60s my Pa did not allow the local fox hunts or harriers on his land and although I rode I never hunted.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Dove, I did not put words in your mouth, nor did I misinterpret what you said.
Your post was a vague supportive response to the killings mentioned, no? I think what you wrote wasn't even relevant anyway, when pretty much the thread was about someone not liking animals and taking matters into their own hands. That, to me, is hardly for the greater 'good' of the management of animals.
A lot of folk think what is done to animals is humane when it's not. I think it was fair for me to write what I wrote in response to you. I cannot ever support animal suffering, no matter what the reason and I am entitled to share my opinion.
Perhaps we should also stop culling the endless deer population up here as well. Let them starve to death instead as they no longer have any natural predators........
Management of the countryside is essential.
We take measures to control what poses a problem in our own little plots - and rightly so. Our gardens are complete artifice and artificially managed - whatever we might care to believe.
It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
Yes, management is good - but only if the animal doesn't suffer. The badgers suffered in an expensive and ineffective experiment to control TB. It's animal cruelty I have a problem with.
I do find it hard tho to agree to control our little plots. We decide to have a bit of land and god help any creature who dares disrupt our garden. The fact is that an animal does not understand boundaries, or that the food put out was only intended for a certain faved-by-humans creature and not for itself. Again, its a shame that humans will kill something when it's only doing what comes naturally and has no idea that because it ate something or pooped somewhere in a garden means that it will pay the price, sometimes with it's life. Pretty awful when you think of it and I certainly do not think it's 'rightly so'.
I didn't realise this place was so cliquey and that someone can't express their distaste over someone nasty killing squirrels without running into immaturity from folk old enough to know better.
Yay.
Funny innit. A gardening forum, where we are supposed to love growing and nurturing, living a gentle life and I've run into murderous blood thirsty folk. The last place I would've expected it.
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I tolerate everything, even foxes that eat the ducks and badgers that raid their nests, but I hate crows too. If a sheep has fallen or got stuck and can't get up, as happens sometimes, crows will peck their eyes out, even if they are still alive.
Human beings control and manage the landscape in order to produce food and homes - this in its turn causes inbalances in populations of various types of wildlife - knowledgeable and humane management of these populations allows for a wide variety of flora and fauna to co-exist on what is quite a small group of islands.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Dove, humane management? Don't believe all the hype you read please. Hardly any of our dealings with animals are humane. For example, just last year with the badger cull, it was deemed inhumane with the badgers taking over 5 mins to die. This was the official report by the way, not just my take on it. So we killed lots of badgers, slow death and all to protect livestock. Which didn't work. A perfect example of where we humans kill for greed and didn't get it right anyway. Why not use inoculation and sterilisation to control numbers instead?
And this is miles away from someone killing squirrels coz they simply don't like em.
BMam - please don't put words in my mouth or wilfully misinterpret what I said - I said that 'humane management of these populations allows for .... '.
I certainly did not say that all human attempts at management are humane - and please don't patronise me - I'm a country girl born and bred from a family of countrymen and women who can trace our rural roots back many generations and I don't take notice of 'hype' - my views are based on first hand experience.
And before anyone jumps to conclusions about farmers, even back in the 50s and 60s my Pa did not allow the local fox hunts or harriers on his land and although I rode I never hunted.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Dove, I did not put words in your mouth, nor did I misinterpret what you said.
Your post was a vague supportive response to the killings mentioned, no? I think what you wrote wasn't even relevant anyway, when pretty much the thread was about someone not liking animals and taking matters into their own hands. That, to me, is hardly for the greater 'good' of the management of animals.
A lot of folk think what is done to animals is humane when it's not. I think it was fair for me to write what I wrote in response to you. I cannot ever support animal suffering, no matter what the reason and I am entitled to share my opinion.
Sorry you took it to heart.
Perhaps we should also stop culling the endless deer population up here as well. Let them starve to death instead as they no longer have any natural predators........
Management of the countryside is essential.
We take measures to control what poses a problem in our own little plots - and rightly so. Our gardens are complete artifice and artificially managed - whatever we might care to believe.
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
Yes, management is good - but only if the animal doesn't suffer. The badgers suffered in an expensive and ineffective experiment to control TB. It's animal cruelty I have a problem with.
I do find it hard tho to agree to control our little plots. We decide to have a bit of land and god help any creature who dares disrupt our garden. The fact is that an animal does not understand boundaries, or that the food put out was only intended for a certain faved-by-humans creature and not for itself. Again, its a shame that humans will kill something when it's only doing what comes naturally and has no idea that because it ate something or pooped somewhere in a garden means that it will pay the price, sometimes with it's life. Pretty awful when you think of it and I certainly do not think it's 'rightly so'.
tee hee Dove, it's moved onto you after I stuck it on ignore.
Holy moly, Hosta, what are you, 12?
I didn't realise this place was so cliquey and that someone can't express their distaste over someone nasty killing squirrels without running into immaturity from folk old enough to know better.
Yay.
Funny innit. A gardening forum, where we are supposed to love growing and nurturing, living a gentle life and I've run into murderous blood thirsty folk. The last place I would've expected it.
The problem is that those who advocate humane management of overpopulated animal species are being branded murderous and blood thirsty.
Humane management includes reproductive control as well as culling - as appropriate.
Can't see any evidence of a clique - just some people who agree with each other and some who don't.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.