Well, we're certainly living up to our MOB titles this afternoon! I have another this year. moan.
I've just come back from a family conference with the doctor over the care of my 83 year old relative, who has very severe rheumatoid arthritis and had cancer treatment. She can no longer walk and has no ability to care for her personal hygiene. She has carers 4 times a day and still depends heavily on the relatives with whom she now stays. She told them that she lived alone and could cope, so they discharged her from hospital! Turned out they did not know her medical history - because they had no looked at her medical record. She was an elderly person who was taking up a bed. Now, I know that hospitals are under immense pressure financially and in terms of beds, but I would have thought that every human being in Britain was entitled to basically competent medical care! I am truly shocked. They have undischarged her after our visit - but what if she had not had someone to speak up for her?
Fairygirl /Daughter, I am quite worried about you, if I had been a child bride I would have been your Mum and believe it there is no danger of me being taken for a female of any description, even the Bear as my lads called me (behind my back I may say). Are you having a gender crisis I ask. Tina we do not all have the same chances in life and I salute anyone who pulls themselves up by the boot straps, you fought you succeeded well done. When I got leave in the Army I would have a day off then it would be up on the farm if they were busy or a part time job, in a time of full employment they always wanted drivers to cover for sickness. I drove some rattletraps as well as good trucks and always brought them back home it meant I was always good for more next time I got leave and the money came in handy. Lazing about was not in my genes and still is not, apart from today when I appear to have been on all day, my excuse is it is freezing the Mexican chili's out there. Fish was always part of my diet we lived on a fishing coast, the man would come round with his horse and cart calling Callour Herrin and mother would buy a bucket full caught that morning and clean dress then bake them. Hot for the evening meal and cold there after, I thought that nicer and would stuff them down with lots of bread and butter, "butter you ask with rationing" we made our own and did deals, keeping pigs a few slices of bacon got you anything.
Worrying isn't it GG. A couple of years ago, I was trying to help an old friend, aged 93 at the time, as she had almost lost her sight and kept falling over. Had not been out the house for 2 years. Did not want to go into a home so I started to try and see what could be done for her. One of the questions I was asked was whether she could get herself up of a morning and wash and dress herself. Answer yes. That was the end of the conversation. As she was capable of that, nothing they could do. Nothing about visiting and assessing her needs. Zilch. Last June she finally decided to go into a home and passed away 6 months later. I just know that if help had been forthcoming, she would still be here.
GG , My arn't we living in a caring world if your relative had been released into her own care she would be dead by the end of the weekend and just another statistic of our/your health service.
She is lucky to have people around her who care about her well being .
Our two country's are very much alike in the treatment of our elderly citizens in that we will not allow euthanasia but will turn a blind eye to so many people living on their own ,I wonder how many old people will be found dead after this very cold winter has ended ,
Hi Brother Derek we are both members of Unite, a long story. As a lad I joined the Boilermakers led by the ear to the meeting by my mentor and tutor a Boilermaker brought out of retirement for the war. His Son in Law owned the firm but he told me they are all tarred with the same brush and will do you down. Many years later at ICI I was asked if I was union and because my Dad had for years gone to the branch and paid the forces dues I was still a member. I was told by the convener I would need to join the Staff section which I did. I was then promoted rapidly and put in charge with the instruction break the union hold that keeps ICI from improving. A couple of years hard graft with the union's, job done and well rewarded, the men were happy a lot more money the unions curbed. On retirement I was asked if I wished to remain on the books at a much reduced fee and I did. So for years I have had a Union pension, most of the conveners and lads dropped out hence no pension I smile every Christmas when that cheque comes.
I just got to the end of a post and it disappeared..*^$%^&* I'm losing the will to live .....don't know if it's this old laptop.Grrr. Sorry Frank/Dad but 'child bridegroom' didn't have the same ring to it! I was about to say that I worked long hours for not a lot of money but I'm fortunate that I have my own house and I'm very grateful for that. When I bought my first flat I had no phone and no colour tv - things that people see as the norm nowadays but were a luxury for me. Tina I understand how hard it can be, juggling my money was difficult but I did without and kept myself together and it got easier. I'm trying to get my girls to have common sense with money as I don't want them to get into debt which can happen so easily. I think it's a disgrace the way we treat our old people here and it's getting worse. Are we becoming a third world country?? GG nothing surprises me about hospitals/nursing homes any more.I'm grateful that my Dad died in his own home and Mum was in hospital just a few hours and the doc who told my Dad there was nothing more they could do was the finest example of a doctor you could ever meet. I will be eternally grateful to him for that and for the respect he showed us all.
It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
You have to though, don't you Fairygirl. I have never been materialistic and so never hankered for anything. My kids had their school uniform, a set of playing clothes and a 'best' outfit, which eventually became the playing clothes! They didn't ask for the earth for birthdays or christmas because they knew it wouldn't be forthcoming. Like you, I got by and things gradually got better. Now, whatever I have is theirs as I want to treat them because I couldn't do so years ago. Have told them that I will expect them to reciprocate if necessary.
Tina, like you, I'm not big on 'stuff' cluttering up the house,the less is more thing is my motto- apart from plants that is! My kids also didn't have the wardrobe that some seem to have these days and if they were invited to a party it was a case of wearing their wellies/trainers if they didn't have fancy shoes! They didn't get endless toys and treats either and had to wait for birthdays and Christmas but they were happy. Sometimes I'm nice to them- but only because they'll be choosing the care home.....
It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
Frank , Along time ago when our Gaffer had not shown up for work , I took it upon myself to ware his white coat ,and tried to get the men to get off their arses and try and catch up with our work schedule ,the manager as it happened came into the workshop at this time and seen me wearing the coat and asked me if I would continue as assistant Foreman until the real one got back he was ill , so for 6 months I did just that ,but then was asked by my Boss if I would like to do it on a More permanent bases I said I would think about it and then he said something very strange , would I have the ability to sack someone, I said no and he said don't go for the job , I have not regretted that decision I retired happy unlike a lot of my fellow workers who went on the management trail .
GG. We had a similar experience with an elderly relative. Very distressing, apologies from the nhs and things have settled down..a bit.
a quick recap...toilets... GG and Fairygirl...theres more...
When you had your allotted time the door closed, much slushing and gurgling, and the next person couldn't go back in for three minutes (we were a group of walkers)
So did we go in two at a time..not telling...surreal, alien and weird.
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Well, we're certainly living up to our MOB titles this afternoon! I have another this year. moan.
I've just come back from a family conference with the doctor over the care of my 83 year old relative, who has very severe rheumatoid arthritis and had cancer treatment. She can no longer walk and has no ability to care for her personal hygiene. She has carers 4 times a day and still depends heavily on the relatives with whom she now stays. She told them that she lived alone and could cope, so they discharged her from hospital! Turned out they did not know her medical history - because they had no looked at her medical record. She was an elderly person who was taking up a bed. Now, I know that hospitals are under immense pressure financially and in terms of beds, but I would have thought that every human being in Britain was entitled to basically competent medical care! I am truly shocked. They have undischarged her after our visit - but what if she had not had someone to speak up for her?
Fairygirl /Daughter, I am quite worried about you, if I had been a child bride I would have been your Mum and believe it there is no danger of me being taken for a female of any description, even the Bear as my lads called me (behind my back I may say).
Are you having a gender crisis I ask.
Tina we do not all have the same chances in life and I salute anyone who pulls themselves up by the boot straps, you fought you succeeded well done.
When I got leave in the Army I would have a day off then it would be up on the farm if they were busy or a part time job, in a time of full employment they always wanted drivers to cover for sickness. I drove some rattletraps as well as good trucks and always brought them back home it meant I was always good for more next time I got leave and the money came in handy. Lazing about was not in my genes and still is not, apart from today when I appear to have been on all day, my excuse is it is freezing the Mexican chili's out there.
Fish was always part of my diet we lived on a fishing coast, the man would come round with his horse and cart calling Callour Herrin and mother would buy a bucket full caught that morning and clean dress then bake them. Hot for the evening meal and cold there after, I thought that nicer and would stuff them down with lots of bread and butter, "butter you ask with rationing" we made our own and did deals, keeping pigs a few slices of bacon got you anything.
Frank.
Worrying isn't it GG. A couple of years ago, I was trying to help an old friend, aged 93 at the time, as she had almost lost her sight and kept falling over. Had not been out the house for 2 years. Did not want to go into a home so I started to try and see what could be done for her. One of the questions I was asked was whether she could get herself up of a morning and wash and dress herself. Answer yes. That was the end of the conversation. As she was capable of that, nothing they could do. Nothing about visiting and assessing her needs. Zilch. Last June she finally decided to go into a home and passed away 6 months later. I just know that if help had been forthcoming, she would still be here.
GG , My arn't we living in a caring world if your relative had been released into her own care she would be dead by the end of the weekend and just another statistic of our/your health service.
She is lucky to have people around her who care about her well being .
Our two country's are very much alike in the treatment of our elderly citizens in that we will not allow euthanasia but will turn a blind eye to so many people living on their own ,I wonder how many old people will be found dead after this very cold winter has ended ,
kindest regards Derek
Hi Brother Derek we are both members of Unite, a long story.
As a lad I joined the Boilermakers led by the ear to the meeting by my mentor and tutor a Boilermaker brought out of retirement for the war. His Son in Law owned the firm but he told me they are all tarred with the same brush and will do you down.
Many years later at ICI I was asked if I was union and because my Dad had for years gone to the branch and paid the forces dues I was still a member. I was told by the convener I would need to join the Staff section which I did.
I was then promoted rapidly and put in charge with the instruction break the union hold that keeps ICI from improving.
A couple of years hard graft with the union's, job done and well rewarded, the men were happy a lot more money the unions curbed.
On retirement I was asked if I wished to remain on the books at a much reduced fee and I did. So for years I have had a Union pension, most of the conveners and lads dropped out hence no pension I smile every Christmas when that cheque comes.
Frank.
I just got to the end of a post and it disappeared..*^$%^&*
I'm losing the will to live .....don't know if it's this old laptop.Grrr. Sorry Frank/Dad but 'child bridegroom' didn't have the same ring to it! I was about to say that I worked long hours for not a lot of money but I'm fortunate that I have my own house and I'm very grateful for that. When I bought my first flat I had no phone and no colour tv - things that people see as the norm nowadays but were a luxury for me. Tina I understand how hard it can be, juggling my money was difficult but I did without and kept myself together and it got easier. I'm trying to get my girls to have common sense with money as I don't want them to get into debt which can happen so easily. I think it's a disgrace the way we treat our old people here and it's getting worse. Are we becoming a third world country?? GG nothing surprises me about hospitals/nursing homes any more.I'm grateful that my Dad died in his own home and Mum was in hospital just a few hours and the doc who told my Dad there was nothing more they could do was the finest example of a doctor you could ever meet. I will be eternally grateful to him for that and for the respect he showed us all.
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
You have to though, don't you Fairygirl. I have never been materialistic and so never hankered for anything. My kids had their school uniform, a set of playing clothes and a 'best' outfit, which eventually became the playing clothes! They didn't ask for the earth for birthdays or christmas because they knew it wouldn't be forthcoming. Like you, I got by and things gradually got better. Now, whatever I have is theirs as I want to treat them because I couldn't do so years ago. Have told them that I will expect them to reciprocate if necessary.
Tina, like you, I'm not big on 'stuff' cluttering up the house,the less is more thing is my motto- apart from plants that is! My kids also didn't have the wardrobe that some seem to have these days and if they were invited to a party it was a case of wearing their wellies/trainers if they didn't have fancy shoes! They didn't get endless toys and treats either and had to wait for birthdays and Christmas but they were happy. Sometimes I'm nice to them- but only because they'll be choosing the care home.....
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
Frank , Along time ago when our Gaffer had not shown up for work , I took it upon myself to ware his white coat ,and tried to get the men to get off their arses and try and catch up with our work schedule ,the manager as it happened came into the workshop at this time and seen me wearing the coat and asked me if I would continue as assistant Foreman until the real one got back he was ill , so for 6 months I did just that ,but then was asked by my Boss if I would like to do it on a More permanent bases I said I would think about it and then he said something very strange , would I have the ability to sack someone, I said no and he said don't go for the job , I have not regretted that decision I retired happy unlike a lot of my fellow workers who went on the management trail .
Derek
GG. We had a similar experience with an elderly relative. Very distressing, apologies from the nhs and things have settled down..a bit.
a quick recap...toilets... GG and Fairygirl...theres more...
When you had your allotted time the door closed, much slushing and gurgling, and the next person couldn't go back in for three minutes (we were a group of walkers)
So did we go in two at a time..not telling...surreal, alien and weird.