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OLD & CLASSICAL ROSES

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  • JohnjoeJohnjoe Posts: 77
    I find that the sharper the frosts and winters the better my roses are, esp with black spot, hardly had any on my roses this year so far
  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    edited June 2023
    Smokey, polluted atmosphere helps.  Things may get worse before they get better.

    Like the "broken" colours of Dutch tulip mania we could regard it as a feature.
     location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand.
    "Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    edited June 2023
    alba, Königin von Dänemarck


    Very similar in flower to K von D today but will alter with time.
    gallica, Président de Sèze


    gallica, Charles de Mills



    Blackspot.  I examined my "Complicata":   the new leaves are fresh green and unsullied, the blackspot is on leaves that had overwintered.  I will pick them off.  A hot, fiddly. prickly job.  I will do this again in early winter and will incorporate it into my pruning regime.
     location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand.
    "Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
  • Zoe P2Zoe P2 Posts: 848
    I think it's good to have separate threads about roses...  This thread is is just for old roses. I wish the scent would come through like the photos!
    It is.  In my garden, they're the only ones that don't get black spot.  As for their perfume, rather heavenly!



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      Martin Luther King

  • peteSpeteS Posts: 966
    @Bede
    I think the number of posts clearly vindicates you and your idea of opening a specialised thread, and shame on the people who vilified you for doing so at the outset. The 'other' thread is brilliant, with a number of extremely knowledgeable people who are to happy to pass on their knowledge when asked. But surely there is room for more than one thread on roses. Well done.
  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    edited June 2023
    peteS said:
    @Bede
    I think the number of posts clearly vindicates you and your idea of opening a specialised thread, and shame on the people who vilified you for doing so at the outset. The 'other' thread is brilliant, with a number of extremely knowledgeable people who are to happy to pass on their knowledge when asked. But surely there is room for more than one thread on roses. Well done.
    Thank you Pete.  If you look back you will see that I nearly didn't persist.  Glad I did.

    I do look at the "main" thread, but the "extremely Knowledgeable" are lost amongst the masses.  
     location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand.
    "Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    edited June 2023
    I am thinking of intiating a discussion on scent.

    In the meantime, for those that are clever at internet searching, or can get to RHS libraries easily:     "The Garden" , June 2006, pp407-410, "The fragrant ones",     Michael Marriott.    An artcle about rose scent.
     location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand.
    "Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    edited June 2023
    On the main rose thread there is a lot of chaff.  And not much objectivity.  Comments like"lovely" abound in a subject that deserves more objectivity.

    Obviously roses will feature in any thrad abouut scent, but I read a whole thread about Magnolia grandiflora, which never touched on fragrance.  I also read (not here) of Veratrum nigrum for fragrance,
     location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand.
    "Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 24,043
    @punkdoc I'm afraid that this time I feel you are being rather unfair. I have enjoyed this thread and it's more specialised so has fewer posters. I just can't keep up with the main rose thread, there are so many posts, although I do post on it from time to time. This time I think you were the one who did the little dig this time, not @bédé.  Why shouldn't he start another rose thread? It's not the same as the main one.
    Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited June 2023
    I don’t think there’s a problem with starting another thread about roses. There’s probably room for several. 

    What I have a problem with is the pejorative and misogynistic sniping about the people who post on the other rose thread  “…  and the "ooh Joan that's lovely" posts.…” 🙄 

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





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