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OLD & CLASSICAL ROSES

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  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze Posts: 5,692
    edited June 2023
    @LittleGreyRabbit There is a thread for roses with 2.6K posts for this year only. I posted a question regarding a rose and I was put in touch with this huge on line resource. The gardeners who write there are skillful rose growers as well as newbies.
     I have worked as a gardener for 24 years and when I joined the forum this one thread held my attention and for me is at the heart of this forum.
    I agree @Bede s roses are beautiful but you will find that some posters find things easier with all the stunning photos and advice in one place. I think that may explain what has happened here.
    I have worked as a Gardener for 24 years. My latest garden is a new build garden on heavy clay.
  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze Posts: 5,692
    edited June 2023
    @LittleGreyRabbit I read this thread on the day @bede posted it. His roses are stunning and I would have liked to tell him so but instead I held back which I think is rather sad.
    I genuinely hope that he continues only to show you kindness.
    I have flagged him just the once it was last year and nothing to do with gardening.
    I will always answer if he contacts me directly.

    I have worked as a Gardener for 24 years. My latest garden is a new build garden on heavy clay.
  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    edited June 2023
    My Rosamundi (June 8 pic) now looks like this.




    This I call "officinalis".  A very bright glowing light magenta-pink. In fact it is a sucker-reversion from my Rosamundi.  It comes very true.



    Belle Isis.  Slightly smaller than the usual gallicas.  5cm diameter as opposed to ca 8cm.


    One of my rose reference books has Belle Isis as one of the parents of Constance Spry.  Another says differently.

    All my roses have a strong "old-rose" scent that in the right still, hot humid condtions will carry.

    Only individual roses are open at the moment.  I still await the mass flowering.

     location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand.
    "Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    edited June 2023
     roses are beautiful but you will find that some posters find things easier with all the stunning photos and advice in one place.
    There are pros and cons to an oversize thread.  

    I thought I would create a specialised corner away from the "collectors" and the "ooh Joan that's lovely" posts. What triggered me was the absence of any pics in the first dozens of pages of the Spring/Summer version.  

    After a slow start I was prepared to accept no interest, but interest seems to have grown.
     location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand.
    "Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze Posts: 5,692
    @bede I think the Joan's will love your roses in the same way that you are drawn to their beauty. With 150 species I think you are in for a busy summer if you did decide to 'roll out' your idea.
    There was a post earlier in this thread directed at you that was pulled and quite rightly so.
    I grow only two roses R Glauca and R Rushing Stream. I admire their beauty but persoally I am happy growing other things. 

    I have worked as a Gardener for 24 years. My latest garden is a new build garden on heavy clay.
  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 24,043
    I think it's good to have separate threads about roses. The main rose thread is so huge and popular that I can't keep up with it. This thread is is just for old roses. I wish the scent would come through like the photos!
    Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
  • bédébédé Posts: 3,095
    Rosa glauca just arrived on its own.  I now have several plants.  I like it as a foliage plant, for its hips and for its simple species flowers.
     location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand.
    "Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
  • TopbirdTopbird Posts: 8,355
    Genuinely not trying to be contentious but I don't really understand the attraction of most old roses.

    I can see that all those on here are beautiful, and I'm sure they smell glorious - but I want all that to be repeated throughout the summer on a reliably disease free plant. I thought most old roses had a single moment of glory and that many are prone to black spot etc. Isn't that why breeders have sought to 'improve' them?

    For that reason I grow mainly modern shrub roses with just a couple of older varieties - Rosa Glauca, Buff Beauty and Roserie de l'hay. Glauca gives good form in the garden and provides good foliage and berry interest. The other 2 are healthy, repeat flowerers with good scent.

    Would be interested to hear which other 'old' roses do a similar job.
    Heaven is ... sitting in the garden with a G&T and a cat while watching the sun go down
  • GardenerSuzeGardenerSuze Posts: 5,692
    @Topbird As you say R Glauca does give good foliage, berries and no black spot.
    R Rushing Stream was recommended to me by @Marlorena and I am very pleased with it's single white flowers a subtle scent, works well in my garden. Loved by the bees.
    I have worked as a Gardener for 24 years. My latest garden is a new build garden on heavy clay.
  • TopbirdTopbird Posts: 8,355
    Thank you @GardenerSuze🙂
    Heaven is ... sitting in the garden with a G&T and a cat while watching the sun go down
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