Don't be seduced by a clever picture. Or tempted by internet price and ease of purchase. Worth going to a good rose show garden, and buying from a reliable garden centre.
location: Surrey Hills, England, ex-woodland acidic sand. "Have nothing in your garden that you don't know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful."
I'm a complete lost cause I'm afraid. I've been seduced by the name of a rose more than once, or some story attached to it, as in 'Souvenir du Dr.Jamain' being discovered when considered lost to cultivation. Now I know the dear chap rather better I think I know why he came to be so precariously placed. I still feel I must have space somewhere for 'Narrow Water'........
Edited to add: @Pete.8 'S.du Dr.Jamain' sounds difficult to grow well by all accounts. I'd more or less given up on it so it's currently unweeded around the base, fighting it out with long grass at the foot of a damson tree which hasn't decided yet which way to fall, so gives the rose a shove every so often. This year it's flowered quite well ( and they are nice blooms) so I think the secret may lie in neglect!
There's no room to try another @Woodgreen The F&P done rather well -
Sadly it had to go when I had the end of the garden landscaped and I now have The Garland in its place. It's doing very well, but not caught up with the size of F & P yet.
Billericay - Essex
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Black Baccara... this one my dog bit off right to graft, twice- last winter and then midsummer, and it's come back. I find it has outstanding bouncebackability! Prune it as hard as you like, OP.
I am definitely trying Souvenir du Docteur Jamain and am undeterred by the horror stories. We all have to make our own mistakes.:)
I think I've seen photos of your 'The Garlands' @Pete.8, and lovely they are too, as indeed was F&P. To think you could have missed all that loveliness for the odd dark red sulk!
On the other hand.....go for it @WhereAreMySecateurs, or you'll always regret not trying. I'm thinking of moving Dr.Jamain to the front of the cottage, which faces NNE so is in shade except for the early morning in midsummer. The wall is white too, so the flowers would show up well. So far only thinking -- nothing happens overnight Chez Woodgreen!
I have Souvenir du Dr Jamain on a shady fence. It's OK if kept well watered and fed, but we were away in the summer and it looked very unhappy when we got back. However the flowers were lovely and velvety and the scent was wonderful when we looked after it. Prone to mould.
Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
It seems hard to get a healthy, good repeat flowering rose of that deep, smoky red colour so be interesting to hear if anyone possesses such a thing. The nearest I have is the small Shrub rose Munstead Wood, but that’s just been discontinued. I have a few other good ones that are more purple/red. One to look out for is from the German breeder Tantau, called Admiral, an HT. I don’t think it’s been released in the UK yet..
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Ah, Admiral has made it across the channel then! Worth a try if you like HTs.
@Woodgreen I would think gallica roses would do well for you and look good in your setting. I can imagine wandering through your woodland area stumbling across Tuscany Superb, Eveque, Cardinal de Richelieu, Charles de Mills.. plenty in the deep smoky red/purple range. Oops, sorry to disturb your snoozing!
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I still feel I must have space somewhere for 'Narrow Water'........
Edited to add: @Pete.8 'S.du Dr.Jamain' sounds difficult to grow well by all accounts. I'd more or less given up on it so it's currently unweeded around the base, fighting it out with long grass at the foot of a damson tree which hasn't decided yet which way to fall, so gives the rose a shove every so often.
This year it's flowered quite well ( and they are nice blooms) so I think the secret may lie in neglect!
The F&P done rather well -
Sadly it had to go when I had the end of the garden landscaped and I now have The Garland in its place.
It's doing very well, but not caught up with the size of F & P yet.
Billericay - Essex
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
I am definitely trying Souvenir du Docteur Jamain and am undeterred by the horror stories. We all have to make our own mistakes.:)
On the other hand.....go for it @WhereAreMySecateurs, or you'll always regret not trying.
I'm thinking of moving Dr.Jamain to the front of the cottage, which faces NNE so is in shade except for the early morning in midsummer. The wall is white too, so the flowers would show up well. So far only thinking -- nothing happens overnight Chez Woodgreen!
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Thinking is so much easier than doing, isn't it, Woodgreen.😁
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@Woodgreen I would think gallica roses would do well for you and look good in your setting. I can imagine wandering through your woodland area stumbling across Tuscany Superb, Eveque, Cardinal de Richelieu, Charles de Mills.. plenty in the deep smoky red/purple range. Oops, sorry to disturb your snoozing!