The RHS say that you should prune bare root roses after planting with the exceptions being climbing and shrub roses. That’s obviously why David Austin don’t advise it. Although I have never hard pruned bare roots after I’ve planted them and the roses have still grown strongly and flowered well. It isn’t what I was taught. The trouble is, as someone else said, there is so much conflicting advice out there it’s difficult for people to know what they should and shouldn’t be doing.
Yes, I agree about the conflicting advice @rossdriscoll13, we kicked it all around a few pages back and whilst there was some confusion in so far as Shrub/Bush roses were concerned, I think I was swayed by the Beales advice and thought that I'd give it a go. FWIW I don't think there is a conflict with what you have stated as RHS advice in the main as I have planted 2 x Ramblers, 1 x Floribunda, 1 x old tea/ hybrid tea (Bush rose?) The only possible questionable one would then be Rose De Rescht (Shrub?) Well, for better or worse, they are done now. So I'll let you all know how they work out in due course. ETA. Make that 1 rambler & 1 climber (Blush Noisette)
@owd potter I was always taught that the difference between a ‘bush’ and a shrub rose was that a ‘bush’ rose is smaller in size. With the Floribunda and Hybrid Tea roses pruning them hard won’t do them any harm so I wouldn’t worry. Planting a bare root rose is a leap of faith.
Which roses are still fully clothed in foliage in your garden?
Still very green here, but hardly any flowers — there’s no direct sunlight coming into the garden (always happens in winter with the angle of the sun). Photos taken yesterday:
Vanessa Bell, with Flower Carpet Pink in the lower left corner and an Olivia Rose Austin in the back
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Your list sounds fantastic @Victoria Sponge, would love to hear about how Nadia does over time!
@owd potter, I have various projects going on which has created some spaces. I also branched out into permanent pots a couple of years ago and found I really enjoy having them in pots. It makes smaller roses more of a feature as they're stand alone, whereas my planting style is packed so roses become more of a mass feature.
I also have a couple of areas I am revamping/replanting and a south facing fence that I am covering with patio climbers and shrubs that can be trained as a climber. It means I can have more roses in the same space but the issue really was I didn't enjoy maintaining the long caned thorny climbers. I dug out two the other year and am going to try and move another, Crown Princess Margareta while it is still young.
I have a similar issue with sunlight in winter @Athelas. It gradually reduces to a small patch on the south fence and the rest of the garden is rather grim and dank. Your garden is still looking very lush and fresh though.
Thought I'd better pick these three red Royal William blooms before they got spoilt by rain. They go nicely with the pinky (usually white/lemon) Claire Austin buds I picked yesterday. Not a rose, but such a neon bright colour to brighten up a gloomy November afternoon.
I've got some nice white Nerines out at the moment @Lizzie27 I find they make a nice change from the pink.. such pretty arrangements..
@owd potter Your bare root plants look great. I might have positioned Blush Noisette a little further away from the wall but no problem.. it's a big bulky rose with thick wavy canes, but can be trained in a number of ways..
Just to say, as everyone has been so kind.. I've had some good news on the health front and hopefully it's under control. I thought I had the big C, my Doctor did too, but I got the all clear today and it's something else entirely which is more manageable with medications. I'm even thinking about getting some more roses now. Not Austins though, I'm so confused as to what they have, or do not have. Roses Loubert looks interesting.
That's brilliant news @Marlorena and hopefully the new meds will do the trick. Nothing like roses to uplift your spirits!
I've decided to keep the new Winchester Cathedral that nobody seemed to want and have amended the soil where I dug out a Buddleia last week. How long would you give the soil to settle before planting the rose (which is potted) but not very big?
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FWIW I don't think there is a conflict with what you have stated as RHS advice in the main as I have planted 2 x Ramblers, 1 x Floribunda, 1 x old tea/ hybrid tea (Bush rose?)
The only possible questionable one would then be Rose De Rescht (Shrub?)
Well, for better or worse, they are done now. So I'll let you all know how they work out in due course.
ETA. Make that 1 rambler & 1 climber (Blush Noisette)
Vanessa Bell, with Flower Carpet Pink in the lower left corner and an Olivia Rose Austin in the back
Btw saw this recent article from the Guardian about the DA rose retirement thing: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/11/why-climate-change-means-some-english-roses-will-bloom-no-longer
I also have a couple of areas I am revamping/replanting and a south facing fence that I am covering with patio climbers and shrubs that can be trained as a climber. It means I can have more roses in the same space but the issue really was I didn't enjoy maintaining the long caned thorny climbers. I dug out two the other year and am going to try and move another, Crown Princess Margareta while it is still young.
I have a similar issue with sunlight in winter @Athelas. It gradually reduces to a small patch on the south fence and the rest of the garden is rather grim and dank. Your garden is still looking very lush and fresh though.
Look forward to seeing them all.
Not a rose, but such a neon bright colour to brighten up a gloomy November afternoon.
@owd potter
Your bare root plants look great. I might have positioned Blush Noisette a little further away from the wall but no problem.. it's a big bulky rose with thick wavy canes, but can be trained in a number of ways..
Just to say, as everyone has been so kind.. I've had some good news on the health front and hopefully it's under control. I thought I had the big C, my Doctor did too, but I got the all clear today and it's something else entirely which is more manageable with medications.
I'm even thinking about getting some more roses now. Not Austins though, I'm so confused as to what they have, or do not have.
Roses Loubert looks interesting.
I've decided to keep the new Winchester Cathedral that nobody seemed to want and have amended the soil where I dug out a Buddleia last week. How long would you give the soil to settle before planting the rose (which is potted) but not very big?
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