I didn’t get very much new growth this year so that probably explains it @Mr. Vine Eye, that and the crazy weather, which it really didn’t enjoy.
I do think DA are shooting themselves in the foot by getting rid of Munstead Wood and Lady Emma Hamilton. They both have their faults but the sumptuous colour of the former and the stunning fragrance of the latter are reason enough to keep them.
My Munstead Wood trio is looking extremely healthy for this time of the year:
Lady Em:
Lady of Shallot:
Mme. Antoine Mari:
Guy Savoy:
The Smudge!
The Smudge is a gorgeous rose. Where can I get one?
Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
@Tack You are giving Diamond Eyes the SP? I seem to recall you were enthusiastic about this earlier in the year (I put it on my wish list because of it), what changed your mind on this one?
I live in France, OH lives in Norfolk, complicated, yes we do manage to see each other! We were both widowed so already had houses.
That means I have 2 gardens. I've planted new roses in both. The French garden was just a large grassed area, no flowers so I've made it into a garden. I moved here January 2021. Downsized from last French house. All my family are in France so I want to have a home here. OH's family are in the UK.
French garden, I have planted - Lady Emma Hamilton, Marie Curie, Jacques Cartier, Louise Odier, Comte de Chambord, Burgundy Ice, Felicia, Cornelia, Stanwell Perpetual, Darcey Bussell, Amica x 3, Aspirin x3, Graham Thomas, Happiness, Golden Celebration and Arthur Bell. There was already a Peace up the house wall, a red rose and a deep pink rose with clusters of small double flowers.
In Norfolk I have planted Penelope, Ghislaine de Féligonde, Oranges and Lemons, Westerland, Olivia Rose Austin, Park Inspector Riggers, Souvenir de Dr Jamain and Grosvenor House. There was already climbing Iceberg, Mme Caroline Testout, Malvern Hills, New Dawn, unknown red climber, Albertine and Ballerina.
The summer rose thread got so busy I didn't have time to keep up with it! I may read through it this winter.
Smudge has sharp prickles, invades the whole garden and will grow up big and tough, so does come with a health warning 😆
@Victoria Sponge makes a good point. Unless you just didn’t like them, don’t dismiss new roses that seemed weak or suffered in the heat this year, maybe they deserve another chance? It was literally a baptism of fire and they may emerge, pheonix-like, all the stronger for it 🔥
@Imprevu, your wall of roses is looking marvellous!
I have been searching for a Crown Princess Margareta for some time so if anyone in the EU knows a source, please let me know!
DA’s criteria for discontinuing roses is not so much about lack of popularity or indeed lack of sales, but it is all about money. I had heard that heavily promoted, exclusive new varieties sell more initially (makes sense) and critically, make more per unit. Older, out-of-patent DAs are less financially lucrative since others can propagate and sell them cheaper. I can see poor disease resistance being a factor with some of those discontinued, but the business case probably trumps all. Bummer for us though.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Thanks, @Fire. Funnily enough I actually already have Graham Thomas on order from Trevor White. I will look for Winchester C elsewhere. Some price gouger on ebay now has it for £112- good luck with that.😁
It does seem a bit as though they are "breaking with the old order."
MW and Darcey Bussell (which has now been nixed too- she was in my basket!) both still have several years left on their patents. And Benjamin Britten has also just been nixed. Did I post my wishlist somewhere? They're ripping it to pieces. I was planning to order the Jubilee Celebration standard, but it's just been archived, too.
Worst, DA were assuring people up to last week that LEH was going nowhere and they were going to make the ordering system fairer so everyone could get one next year.🤨
@Nollie too right. They must have got very excited by all the extra Elizabeths they flogged this year, too. It's all a bit cynical tbh.
Well, it’s business, innit? Darcy too now? I was debating shovel pruning her as I’m getting rid of most of the roses in my wall of death by heat bed, but now I might pot her up and hang on.
@Busy-Lizzie M is taking a break from the forum for a while, but we hope she rejoins us at some point. Her expertise is much missed. I can’t imaging having to manage two rose gardens, one is more than enough for me!
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
My obelisk arrived this morning. I bought Darcey Bussell last year on a very cheap end of season offer from Promesse des Fleurs. I planted her in the veg garden as she was rather pathetic and I hadn't yet made the round rose bed. I planted her into the new round rose bed this spring and now she thinks she's a climber. I pruned off the longest stems but she promptly grew more so I'm going to wind her around the obelisk. I wonder if she really is what the label said. I haven't seen the flowers yet but I have been away in Norfolk quite a bit. She is surrounded by alternate Amica and Aspirin which are pink and white, only 5€ each on end of season offer and doing very well. My lovely handyman has been brilliant keeping my new garden watered.
Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
@Imprevu What great progress, already looking very good.
Darcy gone too, I'm really glad I got MW in time.
@owd potter You are quite right, I did love Diamond Eyes, it's pretty much the perfect patio rose with great colour, scent and habit. After the heat on a south facing balcony it suffered terribly and succumbed to some sort of mite. I chopped it right back and put it into quarantine. I've just hauled it out and here it is So Diamond Eyes is reprieved and I love it again.
Odyssey is a bit floppy but has also proved to be a great pot rose with a peony support on it. It flowers really early and is on its 4th flush, smells great and the bees really like it.
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And just a reflection the climbers on this are all 2 years old but look at the distance they have travelled already….
You are giving Diamond Eyes the SP?
I seem to recall you were enthusiastic about this earlier in the year (I put it on my wish list because of it), what changed your mind on this one?
That means I have 2 gardens. I've planted new roses in both. The French garden was just a large grassed area, no flowers so I've made it into a garden. I moved here January 2021. Downsized from last French house. All my family are in France so I want to have a home here. OH's family are in the UK.
French garden, I have planted - Lady Emma Hamilton, Marie Curie, Jacques Cartier, Louise Odier, Comte de Chambord, Burgundy Ice, Felicia, Cornelia, Stanwell Perpetual, Darcey Bussell, Amica x 3, Aspirin x3, Graham Thomas, Happiness, Golden Celebration and Arthur Bell. There was already a Peace up the house wall, a red rose and a deep pink rose with clusters of small double flowers.
In Norfolk I have planted Penelope, Ghislaine de Féligonde, Oranges and Lemons, Westerland, Olivia Rose Austin, Park Inspector Riggers, Souvenir de Dr Jamain and Grosvenor House. There was already climbing Iceberg, Mme Caroline Testout, Malvern Hills, New Dawn, unknown red climber, Albertine and Ballerina.
The summer rose thread got so busy I didn't have time to keep up with it! I may read through it this winter.
Where is @Marlorena? I hope she's OK.
@Victoria Sponge makes a good point. Unless you just didn’t like them, don’t dismiss new roses that seemed weak or suffered in the heat this year, maybe they deserve another chance? It was literally a baptism of fire and they may emerge, pheonix-like, all the stronger for it 🔥
@Imprevu, your wall of roses is looking marvellous!
DA’s criteria for discontinuing roses is not so much about lack of popularity or indeed lack of sales, but it is all about money. I had heard that heavily promoted, exclusive new varieties sell more initially (makes sense) and critically, make more per unit. Older, out-of-patent DAs are less financially lucrative since others can propagate and sell them cheaper. I can see poor disease resistance being a factor with some of those discontinued, but the business case probably trumps all. Bummer for us though.
It does seem a bit as though they are "breaking with the old order."
MW and Darcey Bussell (which has now been nixed too- she was in my basket!) both still have several years left on their patents. And Benjamin Britten has also just been nixed. Did I post my wishlist somewhere? They're ripping it to pieces. I was planning to order the Jubilee Celebration standard, but it's just been archived, too.
Worst, DA were assuring people up to last week that LEH was going nowhere and they were going to make the ordering system fairer so everyone could get one next year.🤨
@Nollie too right. They must have got very excited by all the extra Elizabeths they flogged this year, too. It's all a bit cynical tbh.
@Busy-Lizzie M is taking a break from the forum for a while, but we hope she rejoins us at some point. Her expertise is much missed. I can’t imaging having to manage two rose gardens, one is more than enough for me!
My obelisk arrived this morning. I bought Darcey Bussell last year on a very cheap end of season offer from Promesse des Fleurs. I planted her in the veg garden as she was rather pathetic and I hadn't yet made the round rose bed. I planted her into the new round rose bed this spring and now she thinks she's a climber. I pruned off the longest stems but she promptly grew more so I'm going to wind her around the obelisk. I wonder if she really is what the label said. I haven't seen the flowers yet but I have been away in Norfolk quite a bit. She is surrounded by alternate Amica and Aspirin which are pink and white, only 5€ each on end of season offer and doing very well. My lovely handyman has been brilliant keeping my new garden watered.