I think your rose is 'Penny Lane'.. it's a modern shrubby climber, with a tall narrow habit.. the thorns you've shown confirm that for me.. bred by Harkness Roses and used to be sold by David Austin, I think it still is..
It looks like your rose wants to climb ..
Thanks for this and taking the time to look at the pictures. Although, I’m not sure it is penny lane for a few reasons. Firstly, it looks very much like the David Austin version of buff beauty (as apposed to the actual classic hybrid musk buff beauty). Secondly, I was fortunate enough at the weekend to be served by Philip Harkness when I went there to buy some roses for a new bed I have in the garden. He works at the Harkness branch near where I live as that is their base for their breeding program. I asked him if he would mind trying to identify the rose as I was paying. He asked for a few details and looked at the pictures on my phone I uploaded here. He said nothing came to mind but it was very brief whilst I was paying. It would be weird if it was penny lane and the owner of the Harkness company doesn’t recognise it 😂 He did say when I next come by he would look at it in more detail if I brought a fully opened flower with me so maybe I take him up on this.
There is only one Buff Beauty, there isn't a DA version of it that's different.. but I still say that's Penny Lane, because the thorns match, along with other details there, including the receptacle and the way the flower fades, also the foliage. One of its parents is the equally thorny 'New Dawn'..
Next time you see Mr Harkness, show him those thorns..
Regardless, hope you get it resolved with certainty, in due course.. best wishes..
There is only one Buff Beauty, there isn't a DA version of it that's different.. but I still say that's Penny Lane, because the thorns match, along with other details there, including the receptacle and the way the flower fades, also the foliage. One of its parents is the equally thorny 'New Dawn'..
Next time you see Mr Harkness, show him those thorns..
Regardless, hope you get it resolved with certainty, in due course.. best wishes..
oh I see. Why do other website that sell buff beauty says it very high fragrance whilst on the DA website is says mild fragrance? If it is indeed high fragrance then my one definitely isn’t buff beauty as it has almost no smell to it.
Yes I’m very intrigued now. I drive past there a lot so will drop a few flower heads in with a picture of the thorns and report back.
Why do other website that sell buff beauty says it very high fragrance whilst on the DA website is says mild fragrance? If it is indeed high fragrance then my one definitely isn’t buff beauty as it has almost no smell to it.
That’s surprising DA say that because in my David Austin 2018/19 Handbook of Roses, Buff Beauty is described as having a “medium/strong tea scent”. Opinions clearly vary on fragrance even within the same company, depending on who is writing the copy!
Mine is only young, but even on my limited experience of it, I would also say your rose is not ‘Buff Beauty’. Your upright canes and wicked thorns look more modern and are nothing like my arching, modestly thorned ones. The blooms are more a warm apricot tone and kind of looser, somehow and although the fragrance is not fully developed, it is definitely there..
sorry quote facility doesn’t seem to be working, you said “ Why do other website that sell buff beauty says it very high fragrance whilst on the DA website is says mild fragrance? If it is indeed high fragrance then my one definitely isn’t buff beauty as it has almost no smell to it”.
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Why do other website that sell buff beauty says it very high fragrance whilst on the DA website is says mild fragrance? If it is indeed high fragrance then my one definitely isn’t buff beauty as it has almost no smell to it.
That’s surprising DA say that because in my David Austin 2018/19 Handbook of Roses, Buff Beauty is described as having a “medium/strong tea scent”. Opinions clearly vary on fragrance even within the same company, depending on who is writing the copy!
Mine is only young, but even on my limited experience of it, I would also say your rose is not ‘Buff Beauty’. Your upright canes and wicked thorns look more modern and are nothing like my arching, modestly thorned ones. The blooms are more a warm apricot tone and kind of looser, somehow and although the fragrance is not fully developed, it is definitely there..
sorry quote facility doesn’t seem to be working, you said “ Why do other website that sell buff beauty says it very high fragrance whilst on the DA website is says mild fragrance? If it is indeed high fragrance then my one definitely isn’t buff beauty as it has almost no smell to it”.
Thanks for this. Yeh you’re right the thorns are quite aggressive on mine and there really is no scent. Funny about the DA website vs booklet! I have attached more pictures of my rose as the flowers are more mature and it has a lot more blooms on it. They have definitely gone very white now they are fully open.
I've grown Buff Beauty in three different gardens ... the OP's rose doesn't look like my Buff Beauties ... I agree with @Marlorena about the thorns ... mine had a lovely scent on a warm summer early evening, but not under cooler conditions.
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Thought people would like to know but pretty sure I have the answer now as I posted it on another Rose ID forum too. They are convinced it’s Lion’s rose (think it might also be called Lion’s fairytale). The attached picture is one from the web and I held it up to my rose bush and I must say it looks identical. Thanks for all the help people.
@aj.honessyMcmfWqs That is beautiful, it has changed as the flowers have developed. I have enjoyed reading this thread thankyou to all the rose growers your comments are so very interesting.
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I thought the only difference was the cheeky mark-up?!
Next time you see Mr Harkness, show him those thorns..
Regardless, hope you get it resolved with certainty, in due course.. best wishes..
Yes I’m very intrigued now. I drive past there a lot so will drop a few flower heads in with a picture of the thorns and report back.
That’s surprising DA say that because in my David Austin 2018/19 Handbook of Roses, Buff Beauty is described as having a “medium/strong tea scent”. Opinions clearly vary on fragrance even within the same company, depending on who is writing the copy!
Mine is only young, but even on my limited experience of it, I would also say your rose is not ‘Buff Beauty’. Your upright canes and wicked thorns look more modern and are nothing like my arching, modestly thorned ones. The blooms are more a warm apricot tone and kind of looser, somehow and although the fragrance is not fully developed, it is definitely there..
sorry quote facility doesn’t seem to be working, you said “ Why do other website that sell buff beauty says it very high fragrance whilst on the DA website is says mild fragrance? If it is indeed high fragrance then my one definitely isn’t buff beauty as it has almost no smell to it”.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
like to know but pretty sure I have the answer now as I posted it on another Rose ID forum too. They are convinced it’s Lion’s rose (think it might also be called Lion’s fairytale). The attached picture is one from the web and I held it up to my rose bush and I must say it looks identical. Thanks for all the help people.