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  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited September 2022
    I really don't see how anything can rankle 300 years on ... some very long-lived folk about, obviously 🤣

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  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    Yep - but it was seen to be so wrong that it was illegal. I think I'm also right in saying that it used to be grounds for divorce - just googled that (https://www.crispandco.com/site/library/legalnews/10-common-misconceptions-about-adultery-and-divorce) - it still seems to be one of the 5 grounds. It's then not just people on this thread who see/saw (!) it as a major issue - historically it was seen as a bigger issue.



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  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    edited September 2022
    There were many things that were considered so wrong that they were once illegal ... as I said, women's suffrage is just one,  being a Protestant was another.  

    Adultery is still one of the possible grounds for divorce (although. I believe that this is likely to be changed so that 'irretrievable breakdown' is likely to be the only grounds).. as are 'unreasonable behaviour' and 'desertion', none of which are illegal ... let's face it, were 'unreasonable behaviour' to be illegal the courts would be so swamped as to be inoperable and the jails overflowing within weeks.

    Times have changed ... 

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  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    edited September 2022
    A definition of an act is not (edited to add - always - as obviously legal and word definitions do change) affected by time is it? What rankles now is the same that 'n'00 years in the past made others  deem it illegal.  Murder was murder, is murder and will be murder. How people react to that act is up to them - euthanasia may become legal but to others it will still be murder. It will rankle. Adultery ditto. It was adultery, is adultery and will be adultery. How people react to it changes. To some it still rankles.
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  • But are we, as a society, really going to be affected or swayed by some folk being rankled by Protestantism or female suffrage?  Protestantism is a personal choice, adultery is a personal and moral issue, and female suffrage is, I hope, a given.  

    As I said, things change.  

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  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    Times change yes - and laws change - but I thought you said it was morally wrong? Isn't that the difference - when law or rule is based on morals, irrespective of whether the laws changes, there is still the issue of morality - and we all have our own moral compasses. And I would say that is the issue with adultery - the act implies (not always) deceit. It is the act of deceit that is seen to be morally wrong isn't it? If we all joined in relationships where there was no mention of a single partner or fidelity, then what price adultery? But that isn't the case - and even today, I think most people enter into monogamous relationships expecting fidelity. When that trust is broken, whether illegal or not, isn't it morally wrong? (See my previous comments on relationships that both perties agree are over).


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  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    If only what you said was universally  true, @Dovefromabove

    I believe in some countries, because my first wife committed adultery, she could have been stoned to death. I have moved on and it would be better if everyone else did too.

    It is not so long since mask wearing was compulsory [ COVID ] many people didn't, I am sure some of them spread COVID, perhaps people died because of their selfishness, but, again, I think it is time to move on.
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  • punkdoc said:
    If only what you said was universally  true, @Dovefromabove

    I believe in some countries, because my first wife committed adultery, she could have been stoned to death. I have moved on and it would be better if everyone else did too.

    It is not so long since mask wearing was compulsory [ COVID ] many people didn't, I am sure some of them spread COVID, perhaps people died because of their selfishness, but, again, I think it is time to move on.
    Precisely @punkdoc ... I had thought about mentioning stoning etc but decided not to muddy the waters so to speak.

    This https://www.counselmagazine.co.uk/articles/law-and-morality-the-eternal-debate 
    makes interesting reading.

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  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    Is adultery in your mind morally wrong Dove and why?

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  • I believe it  depends on the circumstances.

    It also depends on what is meant by adultery.  I have been talking about someone having sexual relations with someone other than their spouse, whilst still legally married.

    It seems that some people have all sorts of caveats that make it 'not really adultery'.

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