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Arthur de Sansal? Which red, deeper hued roses would you choose for a new south facing flowerbed?

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  • LesleyHLesleyH Posts: 126
    edited November 2021
    @Floralies, I remember Falstaff from when I visited the DA Rose Gardens and yes, sadly, it’s probably just over the size to fit in. Another DA I wish I could find room for is Rosa Indigo, such a stunning colour x
  • LesleyHLesleyH Posts: 126
    edited November 2021
    @Newbie77, thank you for your ideas. I had to smile; I’ve a small garden but seem to have ended up with three Madame Isaac Pereire! But now that I read from Fire that MW can still be bought that one is a definite. Such a lovely rose
  • LesleyHLesleyH Posts: 126
    edited November 2021
    Hi @Pianoplayer. Thanks so much for your suggestions. Midsummer’s Night Dream was my favourite out of the three. The Flanders rose, it said, has little to no scent, but was a pretty rose. Maybe more of a crimson in colour. Reminded me of another rose I had to leave when I moved, Rosa A Moment in Time. Love that rose, despite its lack of perfume. Was still flowering on Christmas Day.
  • LesleyHLesleyH Posts: 126
    @Omori, just looked up Felzer Syrah rose and yes, that’s a really lovely rose, as is the DA you mentioned, Thomas a Becket. Thank you x
  • LesleyHLesleyH Posts: 126
    @Fire. Sadly I think you’re right re Barkarole. But what a stunner to have in your garden! Thank you x
  • Busy-LizzieBusy-Lizzie Posts: 24,043
    I hope you find the right rose in the end. Good luck.
    Dordogne and Norfolk. Clay in Dordogne, sandy in Norfolk.
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    I have a love of dark red roses with strong scent and have mostly those in my garden. Do keep us posted with how things turn out, it would be great to see the results. There are some good red climbers, if you have space for those.
  • NollieNollie Posts: 7,529
    Good, dark red/purple roses that are healthy and fragrant, plus can take a sunny south-facing position without fading and crisping, are very hard to come by. I know, I have tried many over the years! Many of darker colours tend to benefit from afternoon shade to retain their deeper hues and avoid the crisp factor (e.g. Souvenir de Docteur Jamain, Francis Dubreuil) whereas some red hybrid teas and floribundas are happy in full sun, so worth checking what would suit your particular location/aspect.

    I’m pretty pleased with Ebb Tide, great colour, although the fragrance is not strong. I would love to get my hands on Twilight Zone by the same breeder, but it seems to sell out fast and I keep missing it.

    Mustead Wood is a stand-out rose for me, my best performer this year, in near constant bloom all season, great colour and fragrance. Takes full sun pretty well. It took 4 years for it to really come into it’s own and hasn’t got bigger than 2.5 - 3ft in that time. I grow it as a group of three for more impact, which also helps to hide it’s awkward, prickly habit.

    I have a couple of other sultry standouts, but as you would need to import them from Europe and one is extremely difficult to find even then, I won’t mention them!

    I couldn’t recommend Arthur de Sansal. It initially appealed because it was a compact, upright hybrid perpetual with dark blooms, probably all the reasons it caught your eye. I knew it was prone to mildew but it was really atrocious for me. I hear it can get less prone as it matures, but it didn’t last a season before I binned it as it looked such a revolting, white powdery mess.
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
  • cooldoccooldoc Posts: 853
    @Nollie agree on Munstead. Regarding TZ, I think its same as Ebb Tide (from the pictures, I don't own ET). Bloom edges gets burned in full sun (peak summers). Fragrance has spicy notes to it. Strong at times, mild otherwise and its not as consistent as Austins in terms of fragrance.
    A rose lover from West midlands
  • LesleyHLesleyH Posts: 126
    @Nollie. Thank you for your advice. Yes, I will definitely be getting MW, and looking through all the lovely suggestions offered by people. I’m glad that I asked about AdS.

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