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🦍CURMUDGEONS' CORNER XVIII🦍

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  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    @Nanny Beach. I watched it, awful disgusting,  I won’t ever by an electric car for those very reasons. 
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    Lyn said:
    @Nanny Beach. I watched it, awful disgusting,  I won’t ever by an electric car for those very reasons. 

    Electric cars are being touted as the solution to all the pollution problems just as diesel was touted as the solution some years ago.  The supporters emphasise all the positives about whatever their pet project is, and never admit there are downsides to every solution.
    I read somewhere recently that wind turbine blades, as used in the wind farms, can't be recycled because of the complex construction.  Ain't that ironic.
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    Funerals. 
    "Direct Cremation"
    Body removed, taken to Crematorium, "done". 
    No vicar, ceremony, attendees, Nothing. 
    Cost ÂŁ3,500 according to some .
    " you have to have a coffin " Cheapest is oak veneer. Why not plywood? nobody is going to see it. 
    One online says " ÂŁ950 no hidden extras" except ÂŁ115 to courier ashes back. and ÂŁ250 for the use of a mortuary if no crematorium is available.
    Devon.
  • ErgatesErgates Posts: 2,953
    edited November 2021
    I was in charge of organising my mother’s funeral. I specified the cheapest coffin they had in their catalogue, absolutely plain wood, no fancy stuff at all. I knew my mother would have wanted that, and during the church service, the coffin was covered with a cloth. I was very surprised when the coffin was carried out of the church, that it was rather fancier, in coloured wood, with brass handles and stuff. I wasn’t charged for that, but I reckon it was because grieving relatives rarely felt able to choose the cheap one, so they didn’t actually have any. 
    What a waste, especially for a cremation.
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    edited November 2021
    Ergates said:
    I was in charge of organising my mother’s funeral. I specified the cheapest coffin they had in their catalogue, absolutely plain wood, no fancy stuff at all. I knew my mother would have wanted that, and during the church service, the coffin was covered with a cloth. I was very surprised when the coffin was carried out of the church, that it was rather fancier, in coloured wood, with brass handles and stuff. I wasn’t charged for that, but I reckon it was because grieving relatives rarely felt able to choose the cheap one, so they didn’t actually have any. 
    What a waste, especially for a cremation.
    I asked why it couldn't just be wrapped in a shroud, or put in a "body bag" . It didn't go down well. 
    " We have to prepare the body" 
    " Prepare it for what? It's going into a furnace, not for a night on the tiles "
    That didn't go down well either. 
    I even googled the legalities of doing it in the garden. Very straighforward, but my Daughter said it was " horrific " and begged me not to.
    Devon.
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    I'm sure when it comes to funerals and weddings, they seem to think of a number and double it
    Devon.
  • KT53 said:
    Lyn said:
    @Nanny Beach. I watched it, awful disgusting,  I won’t ever by an electric car for those very reasons. 

    Electric cars are being touted as the solution to all the pollution problems just as diesel was touted as the solution some years ago.  The supporters emphasise all the positives about whatever their pet project is, and never admit there are downsides to every solution.
    I read somewhere recently that wind turbine blades, as used in the wind farms, can't be recycled because of the complex construction.  Ain't that ironic.
    I have been reading some very interesting articles about this . The caveat is the author is writing for a specialist car magazine.  He is saying,  you have to look at the whole picture,  and just quoting zero emissions at the tailpipe is greenwashing. All newly manufactured goods come with a carbon debt ( amount of CO2 released making all the parts and during assembly ) Even if ALL the electricity used to charge it is from renewable sources it takes around 10 years before the new electric car is better than an old petrol or diesel car that has already cleared its carbon debit from manufacture. This is just one aspect of many. I too saw the programme about lithium mining. Horrendous. 
    AB Still learning

  • raisingirlraisingirl Posts: 7,093
    edited November 2021
    Allotment Boy said:
    Even if ALL the electricity used to charge it is from renewable sources it takes around 10 years before the new electric car is better than an old petrol or diesel car that has already cleared its carbon debit from manufacture. This is just one aspect of many.  
    I understand the first part, which is an argument for not owning a car at all if you can help it. But I'm not following the second part - in what sense is the petrol or diesel car 'clearing' it's carbon debt? Every mile it is driven adds carbon emissions to its total 'Whole Life Carbon'. The electric car, it could be argued, is displacing petrol/diesel emissions for every mile it is used. But what is the mechanism he's suggesting pays down the petrol car's carbon debt?
    Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon

    “It's still magic even if you know how it's done.” 
  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    I haven't read the article being referred to here but Top Gear, who are admittedly not the greatest fans of alternative power for cars, came up with similar figures a few years ago.  At that time they said the 10 year 'payback' for electric cars factored in the pollution from the standard petrol or diesel engine.  As I recall, their figures for electric included pollution from mining of the elements required for the electric engine, batteries etc.
  • wild edgeswild edges Posts: 10,497
    Hostafan1 said:
    I'm sure when it comes to funerals and weddings, they seem to think of a number and double it
    Ask a Mortician on Youtube is actually very helpful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzrTl3kYHBE 
    My local funeral director drives a Lamborghini :| 


    If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
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