What I'm saying is that if someone handed me a gun that I was going to point at someone, I would still want to know what was in it. It's where the buck stops. Americans seem happy to trust someone else with something that can be life threatening, either to themselves or someone else.
But they shouldn’t have been pointing the gun at anyone …. as I’ve said those ‘head on’ scenes are usually/always shot with a remote control camera.
As for wanting to know ‘what was in’ the gun … that’s why it was handed to the actor with the declaration ‘Cold Gun!’ … you trust the expert responsible … just as you trust the pilot of your plane and the folk who maintain it. You don’t check it over and then fly it yourself.
No … something has gone very wrong indeed … the accepted industry procedures have not been adhered to.
I don’t think it’s anything to do with being American per se. It’s more likely to do with a lack of rigour on the set because of the paring down of production costs resulting in the employment of folk who are not up to the job. It’s not a national characteristic … it’s happening across the world in many industries … profit is put above safety … eg Grenfell.
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Although, admittedly guilty myself on occasion, I'm beginning to feel uncomfortable about the frequent sgglgaing off of Americans. Particularly as they had the good sense to get rid of Trump.
Please don't tell me who and what I can post links to @NorthernJoe .
I thought I'd pressed the ignore button. Obviously not. Pressing now.
Fair enough. Carry on promoting stories about an ex president and his dodgy family that has done so much to harm America, her reputation, her democracy, her politics, her society. But not just America, he's led the way for similarly, morally bankrupt leaders such as Boris Johnson, bolsonaro in Brazil, even Orban had been emboldened by trumpian politics. I just think that with good conscience I cannot see what good linking to clickbait stories about him and his progeny benefits anyone.
Of course if you've pressed ignore you'll not see this explanation of my POV. Not a discussion you want.
Quick question, was the gun a type where the section holding the bullets flip out to the side or you have to practically dismantle to take out the Chambers holding the bullets? If its the flip type would protocol still still prevent the actor doing that to check the bullets? AIUI markings on bullets and blanks are different and doing so isn't loading.
I guess procedures are in place for a reason but I don't think I'd want to risk holding a hot gun on set. Or take things on word. There's something wrong with this case and I think the blame game will be going on. It's looking like the pr machines are spinning the armourer as the problem not the cuts or hiring an inexperienced armourer to the top job. Scapegoat being led out for the slaughter?
Nobody should be so arrogant as consider their opinions of more validity than anyone else's. Nobody should be so arrogant as to decide they are the self appointed forum censor.
Everyone's free to post what they want within forum rules but why would you? Seriously? It was a link to the ignorant comments of the son of a hopeless and dangerous ex president. Not even a son who got an important job in the nepotism laden Trump administration. Not even his dad values his input.
That's what I'm getting at. I suppose I wonder why any good news outlet would even report his comments.
Well I've had my moan about it so I'll leave it there.
Quick question, was the gun a type where the section holding the bullets flip out to the side or you have to practically dismantle to take out the Chambers holding the bullets? If its the flip type would protocol still still prevent the actor doing that to check the bullets? AIUI markings on bullets and blanks are different and doing so isn't loading.
I guess procedures are in place for a reason but I don't think I'd want to risk holding a hot gun on set. Or take things on word. There's something wrong with this case and I think the blame game will be going on. It's looking like the pr machines are spinning the armourer as the problem not the cuts or hiring an inexperienced armourer to the top job. Scapegoat being led out for the slaughter?
The whole purpose of having an armourer on set is that an expert does all the checking because they have the knowledge. Do you think it reasonable to expect every actor in a film where firearms are used to be trained to a level where they can absolutely tell if a round/cartridge is live or blank? Personally, I would prefer to handle a firearm after it had been inspected by an expert than believe that somebody else on set had checked their own weapon and think it safe.
KT53 said: Do you think it reasonable to expect every actor in a film where firearms are used to be trained to a level where they can absolutely tell if a round/cartridge is live or blank?
No, but I do think it's reasonable that there should be no fire arms on any film set unless the circumstances are absolutely exceptional and in that case, then the actors SHOULD be trained. A standard, run of the mill film set has no business having loaded (with any sort of ammunition) guns. Accidents are inevitable.
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@NorthernJoe, it really isn’t for you to decide what the rest of us want to read. From time to time I like confirmation that the Orange ones offspring haven’t changed.
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Of course if you've pressed ignore you'll not see this explanation of my POV. Not a discussion you want.
I guess procedures are in place for a reason but I don't think I'd want to risk holding a hot gun on set. Or take things on word. There's something wrong with this case and I think the blame game will be going on. It's looking like the pr machines are spinning the armourer as the problem not the cuts or hiring an inexperienced armourer to the top job. Scapegoat being led out for the slaughter?
Nobody should be so arrogant as to decide they are the self appointed forum censor.
That's what I'm getting at. I suppose I wonder why any good news outlet would even report his comments.
Well I've had my moan about it so I'll leave it there.
The whole purpose of having an armourer on set is that an expert does all the checking because they have the knowledge. Do you think it reasonable to expect every actor in a film where firearms are used to be trained to a level where they can absolutely tell if a round/cartridge is live or blank? Personally, I would prefer to handle a firearm after it had been inspected by an expert than believe that somebody else on set had checked their own weapon and think it safe.
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When you don't even know who's in the team
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