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Be prepared for a nasty shock if your energy supplier goes bust

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  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    steveTu said:
    Surely, after 60 years plus (70..80..?) of knowing that there was an issue with CO2 you would have hoped that someone had looked at extracting the CO2 from the atmosphere wouldn't you 
    The only 'machine' we have that is able to do this at the sort of scale needed is a tree.

    Bear this in mind when Boris is telling you that we will all be using hydrogen soon, which is made from natural gas but uses 'carbon capture and storage' technology to make it low carbon. It doesn't actually exist beyond the prototypes, at the moment.

    So now we're in the situation where our Government is paying for a private US owned company to make a product that isn't needed, in order to create a by-product that is a key source of greenhouse gas, so that we can all continue to eat meat, which we have been told to cut down on, which has to be preserved so that it can be shipped very long distances at great cost of fuel and energy. There are so many ways that this is wrong, I don't even know where to start.
    One would have hoped that , as this is allegedly a short term issue, the company would have been given a loan to get them up and running and not a tax payers' money hand out? 
    Funny how Bojo the Clown and his mates can always find money to throw at the private sector?
    Devon.
  • SkandiSkandi Posts: 1,723
    The gas is very much needed, it's used in so many different places including hospitals, fruit/vegetable storage and packaging not "just" meat. And no the company should not be given a loan, why should they a private company produce something that loses them money? It's not their fault that there is no contingency plan is it? What I don't understand is why they do not simply increase the price of Co2 they produce and sell so it itself covers the cost of the loss.

    This isn't a UK thing by the way, the electric price here has rocketed, wholesale prices are up 10x what they were last year, (gas is rare) Denmark can produce all it's power from wind and has been busy shutting it's rubbish burning municipal heating systems and converting them to electric, they are also trying to force people away from using oil onto electric by upping the price of oil, oil is already expensive, no one heats with oil by choice as it is, so policies like that just hurt the poor that cannot afford to switch. At least we don't use electric to heat in this house we have a pellet furnace, and an oil furnace as back up, though unused as the previous owners said it cost about £5k per year to use it!
  • raisingirlraisingirl Posts: 7,093
    Skandi said:
    The gas is very much needed, it's used in so many different places including hospitals, fruit/vegetable storage and packaging not "just" meat. And no the company should not be given a loan, why should they a private company produce something that loses them money? It's not their fault that there is no contingency plan is it? What I don't understand is why they do not simply increase the price of Co2 they produce and sell so it itself covers the cost of the loss.

    The gas is a by-product, their business is manufacturing fertiliser. Presumably the demand for fertiliser is not strong enough to support a price hike and the sale of CO2 is not sufficient to warrant their whole business operation.

    It's not their fault, no. It's a serious concern that our food chains are so heavily dependent on fossil fuels in ways most people had no idea about
    Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon

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  • Oh dear just said on the news Avro have failed, youngest daughter, single parent is with them. In fact just done another 12 month fix and her monthly bill went down! Grandaughter just started high school, been taking a packed lunch which she never ate,she hates sandwiches. So daughter said she could have school meals,OMG chicken,chips, cookie,drink,six quid!!!my friend thought that was per week,no, one day, one meal.
  • Was chatting to someone I know very well, about my daughter,who said it serves her right for going with a small company!! THEY always use the big expensive ones, which I thought is nasty,I use comparison sites,unless you have 2 full time wage packets like this person,you need to. We had our house insurance with a big bank,let's say it was £200 ,(I wish,!!) Following year, double,have NEVER made a claim,next year,£600, I looked at all the comparison sites, the cheapest company I'd never heard of (I remember car insurance companies going bust in the 70s) went with the second, which is one of the big supermarkets
     Higher cover,and now paying £200. 
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    That's very nasty @Nanny Beach. I'm in the same position - we're basically getting penalised for being sensible.  :/
    Toffs are careless eh?
    What annoys me is the company who works with them for installing smart meters, emailed me a few days ago, and then phoned - on the day they went bust.  >:)
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • JoeXJoeX Posts: 1,783
    Is there a free or cheap service to have your home assessed for energy efficiency and recommend improvements?
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    I expect there is @JoeX, although I don't have any need for it. 
    The smart meters are a con IMO. All sorts of problems have been reported with them. 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • Fairy,it was a close relative of us. My daughter had literally a couple of weeks before, signed up for a further 12 months with Avro and her monthly payments were slightly cheaper,she was very happy
    Watched Martin Lewes last night and he said, it was still a good idea to swap for cheaper deals, previously. In the past I've had so much various problems with meters, I refused a smart meter, Scottish Power told me I was in danger of my house catching fire! I have since discovered,it's unlikely one would fit in our tiny hall meter cupboard,and they cause problems because I have Economy 7

  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    I had a smart meter installed with BG years back. It worked fine (my old meter contacts had stuck - so it took a couple of visits by the power network team to replace it) and I could get various usage reports. All a bit gimmicky really, as you tend to know when the heating or a light has been left on. The issue I had was that the SM was version 1 - and the old V1 meters have firmware/software data formats that aren't compatible with later models (from what I can gather) - and some suppliers have their software geared to the more recent SM version, so can't read old V1 data. After I moved from BG (who obviously could read V1 data), my SM became very stupid overnight according to my new supplier. The V1 firmware was supposed to be upgraded to be compatible with V1+ formats - but I'm still waiting on that. Makes you wonder what the rush was to get SMs out in the first place.
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