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ROSES Autumn/Winter Season 2021/22

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  • cooldoccooldoc Posts: 853
    @Tack Its always a joy to see so many roses being delivered isn't it... May I ask how many days they took for delivery after placing the order? and, I might be wrong but did you already have one or two of those newly ordered roses?

    @Marlorena I saw your comment on new DA releases, but why did they not release any last year I wonder.. I know there was the pandemic, but don't they trial the roses for 8-10 years?? It does not happen over a year I believe...

    @Fire I liked that last vid very much, lots of old roses.. had seen it few months ago, good to find it again here...
    A rose lover from West midlands
  • @Fire I’ve seen the video a few weeks ago and really enjoyed seeing the roses and his enthusiasm and passion for them. 

    Good to see Florentina there, as I have this red rose, apparently very good with heat (suitable for @Nollie’s climate maybe?).
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    edited January 2022
    This vid has a good overview too - lots of DA roses. Also Kordes roses, which seem to best in the southern States. I like seeing them "in the flesh" rather than just close up photos on sellers' websites. (1hr, Georgia, US))


  • OmoriOmori Posts: 1,674
    Snowing here, then negative temps for the next few nights. Such a mild winter compared to last year though…at least so far!

    @cooldoc DA released Nye Bevin last year. I’m hoping they introduce more than one this year as I wasn’t interested in Nye Bevin 🤞
  • NollieNollie Posts: 7,529
    @Fire, some good photos of mature New Dawn on HMF, worth reading the comments on problems with rebloom, or lack thereof, if you are looking for a repeat bloomer.

    I’m rather cheesed off with TCL at the moment @Tack, I have asked repeatedly for an answer as to whether they can send GDF or not as I need confirmation before ordering an umbrella stand for it. Even asked for it to be sent separately with special postage charge if necessary, but all emails being ignored. I’ve had to pot up roses for that bed rather than plant them out, since if they don’t send it I will have to rejigg the planting scheme. I placed my original order back in August too, still no sign of it. Haven’t tackled GJ yet, keep putting it off, but will take photos at least..

    @pitter-patter yes have looked at Florentina and another Kordes red, Tiamo, meant to be heat tolerant, but the problem even with those meant to do well in my climate is that they can still fade to pink in the summer. I am already flush with pinks!
    Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    @cooldoc

    ...re DA.. yes, 8 years or so in trialling, but I understand they operate on a two year basis for commercial production, so effectively they know 2 years in advance what they're releasing... lockdowns scuppered all this along with staffing issues so it put everything out of sync.. along with the fact they exhibit at the Chelsea Flower Show in May with all its fanfare and prestige, which takes considerable time and expertise getting stock ready for that.. so without the CFS operating, I imagine they suffered a considerable setback along with all other exhibitors..

    ..as Omori said, Nye Bevan was released last year, probably not one of their best although it's doing quite well for me,  but kept things ticking over.  I doubt their production facilities could have coped with any more so I think they did well to get that one out..  the fact they are now selling to the E.U. again, suggests to me that things are getting back to something like normal for them..

    .. I gather they are exploring markets in the Far East and have the intention to release their new roses in the U.S. at the same time they are released here... not sure if that's in place yet.. I think it will slightly  devalue their appeal for me, as I like the exclusivity of them for us in UK when they are new.. as of now the U.S. have to wait 2 years before they get the same roses.. 

    ..that's all I know.. 

    East Anglia, England
  • I have a St Swithun and a Claire Austen and am intending swapping them over.
    Both are 4-5 years old, quite healthy, although we are in a black spot area and the Clare Austen and it’s shrub rose neighbours had a plague of rose sawfly larvae last summer ( I think attracted by a soloman’s seal, which I’ve since moved- hopefully not by the ivy, which is still there!).
    The St Swithun is climbing a trellis which is approx 8ft high by my front door, south facing, and nearly reaches the top.
    The Claire Austen is on a trellis against a brick garden wall, about 4ft high, west facing but often partially shaded by my car parked there. My problem, which I should have foreseen, is that Claire ( a beautiful rose) is much too vigorous for the site.

    I think Claire will be happy in her new home, size wise, but am wondering if St Swithun is likely to be too high for the 4ft wall, even if trained as horizontally as Ican?
    I have replanted a number of shrub roses in sites previously occupied by roses, by replacing the soil/shielding with newspaper or cardboard/ adding mycorrhizal fungi.  ( I do need to credit OH with the heavy work involved- v long suffering but I’d be in the doghouse if he slogged over the St Swithun and it turned out to be far too tall!)

  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    @Super gardener

    Ok, let's see what we can do with your St. Swithun..  long time since I had this one, I wasn't keen on the bloom form for some reason.  I always say if you want to do something with a rose, just do it, you'll find a way of sorting out any issues later..

    ..the thing about these DA roses is that they are multi dimensional, in that we can choose to grow them in a number of different ways... so although it's sold as a climbing rose to 10 feet, we are not compelled to grow it that way and can maintain it with a twice yearly pruning regime, as a shrub...  I presume you could allow the rose to ascend above the 4 foot of wall to say 5 or 6 feet? even without support?.. I would find this perfectly manageable..   these roses are in effect arching graceful shrubs, trained to climb for photogenic effect as they are capable of extending their growth for that purpose,  but you will need to keep it shrubby... pruning in Spring and again after the first flush to keep within bounds.... if you omit to do this, the rose will start to get away from you..
    You could even do this with Claire Austin but one needs the firm hand of control and not everyone likes to do that..

    See how you get on... I would give it a go with St. Swithun.. 
    East Anglia, England
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