Not only on National Trust property. They say that they are sorry and that they will look into what happened. Then they do it again.
Trouble is, who are and where are the ones who are supposed to administer justice?
Here they are, well one of them,
(from the Independent)
I was a member of the NT for about 30 years. They had a similar vote some years ago. I threw my vote into the ring. Made not a bit of difference.
In the end, I saw that I was paying them 70 quid a year to support them and their horrible activities and that my measly vote had no effect at all. I ended up cancelling my subscription and telling them why.
I would suggest that non members might do better writing to say that they would love to support the NT but won’t until it stops condoning barbarity on its land. The sound of money being held out and then put back into pockets has an interesting effect on most people.
When the Dildo Hardings of the world are in charge of this country nothing is going to change if it spoils their bit of fun.
Hi Pansyface,
thank you for your response! Yes, hunting still unfortunately appears to be continuing everywhere despite the ban.
I can assure you - your vote counted! Despite a loss, it was an extremely close vote and one that has allowed us to push that extra bit more this time around. The problem is that the League can only raise this motion every 3 years and so it is desperately important that it happens this year. The exposed webinars have meant that the National Trust have already suspended the licence - it now needs pressure to ensure that the suspension is made permanent.
For those who are no longer members - you can send a letter via the League Against Cruel Sport’s website, to the Director General of the National Trust.
Lack of permission won’t stop them. I was helping friends gather in their sheep when the local hunt came piling through in hot pursuit of a desperate fox. My friends yelled at them to get out, only to be met with the response that they had the landowner’s permission. As they had been living there for over 20 years, that permission, if it ever existed in the first place, was a tad out of date. Plus, hasn’t hunting with dogs been illegal for years? Hunts might claim that they only ever cause foxes to run “by mistake”, but it looked pretty deliberate to me. I’m not particularly fond of foxes myself, having had to give up keeping free range chickens after a long, losing battle. But the sight of that poor creature labouring for breath made me feel sick, and has changed me from a neutral to an anti. I’m not saying that it’s not worth pressuring the NT though. It all helps.
Thanks Emerion.
What an awful experience! And yes, that is often an excuse that is put in place. ‘Trail’ hunting has been called a “smokescreen” by senior members of the hunting world and was shown to be the case via leaked webinars last year.
As a result of those webinars, one member has been charged and will appear in court in September, and the National Trust have suspended the licensing of hunts on their land. They haven’t however, made that a permanent ban and so the motion in the AGM on 30 October, is vitally important.
Round here there's a wide range of people into the local hunt. It's not the Eton crowd into it so don't fool yourself. It's through all sectors of rural society and there's a strong and often justified feeling that ignorant urban types have them under attack.
I am against hunting with hounds or other animals for larger mammals but I am for the more clinical vermin hunting with terriers. If you've seen a terrier catch and dispatch a rat or rabbit without training just pure instinct you'll see it's not like fix hunting. Fox hunting is detecting and hunting a fox for some time. It's not quick and as long as there's legal hunts chasing scent trails going on there's always going to be foxes and indeed pets killed. IMHO those "accidents " mean that chasing a scent trail form of hunting with hounds cannot happen!
I however have serious issues with the league and cannot support anything they call for. We're not NT members but would never have voted with the league if I had been a member. We need grown ups to stop this. The league and Boris certainly don't count in this regards.
Thank you for your response. I’m sorry to hear you wouldn’t vote for the League.
On
July 10, the League Against Cruel Sports launched a campaign calling on the
National Trust to end hunting on its land.
If
like others, you are shocked to read that hunting
continues, come along to one of the roadshows and find out how you can play
your part in the National Trust AGM on October 30.
Staff,
volunteers and the League's mascot, Vinny the fox, will be there to answer any questions you
have.
I'm not sure I can make one of the roadshows but good luck with the campaign.
I have some sympathy with the NT though. They rely on the sort of people who support hunting not only for funds but also for volunteers. They could make a stand, but it would cost them dear, not only financially.
Much like the RSPB taking a stand on cats killing wildlife.
Allowing fox hunting is one reason I will give the NT a penny, no doubt they do some good things but allowing hunting is not one of them. I think if they stopped hunting that could attract more funding, it maybe a risk but there are possibly more people who find hunting foxes repugnant.
As for making your views at an annual meeting, worth a go but it will probably be ignored.... you know big money and all that.
Hi Leakyboots,
Thank you for your message.
Unfortunately, it is only members of the NT who can make a difference in the AGM by casting their votes. I completely understand those who want to cancel their membership, but that means they are unable to vote for future motions in relation to anything NT.
The League Against Cruel Sports is confident that in raising this issue and campaign, it will add pressure to the NT to change the suspension of the ban, to a permanent one.
Round here there's a wide range of people into the local hunt. It's not the Eton crowd into it so don't fool yourself. It's through all sectors of rural society and there's a strong and often justified feeling that ignorant urban types have them under attack.
I am against hunting with hounds or other animals for larger mammals but I am for the more clinical vermin hunting with terriers. If you've seen a terrier catch and dispatch a rat or rabbit without training just pure instinct you'll see it's not like fix hunting. Fox hunting is detecting and hunting a fox for some time. It's not quick and as long as there's legal hunts chasing scent trails going on there's always going to be foxes and indeed pets killed. IMHO those "accidents " mean that chasing a scent trail form of hunting with hounds cannot happen!
I however have serious issues with the league and cannot support anything they call for. We're not NT members but would never have voted with the league if I had been a member. We need grown ups to stop this. The league and Boris certainly don't count in this regards.
Thank you for your response. I’m sorry to hear you wouldn’t vote for the League.
Can I ask why?
Unfortunately (whether members or not), the league has among it's followers, supporters and hangers on a significant fringe element that IMHO make it a organisation I cannot support even if they are trying to stop methods of hunting I abhor.
My contact with hunt sabs and the league dates from the 90s at university through to observing them in my local area when the hunt is out. Whether they are strictly part of the league or not I find organised opposition on hunts almost as bad as the illegal hunts. Bear in mind I know some there go for the thrill of action and potential arrest. They go with a solicitors card and number ready.
BTW I also have issues with other organisations that claim to have animal welfare at their heart but still cause harm and distress to animals in the process of their campaigning. There's a long history of malpractice and bad actions on both sides that I cannot support either.
When I was much younger [ and even more stupid than I am now ], I went hunt sabbing with some mates on Boxing day, we were laying an aniseed trail. Afterwards we went to the pub, which was full of hunt supporters, obviously we stank and were soundly beaten up.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
Another one topic, one interest poster on here for the first time sprouting their own agenda, whom we will never hear from again once they have a few replies from this one!
If no one replied they would go away with their tail between their legs!
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thank you for your response! Yes, hunting still unfortunately appears to be continuing everywhere despite the ban.
https://takeaction.league.org.uk/page/85937/action/1?ea.tracking.id=banner
thank you so much for supporting the motion last time around.
What an awful experience! And yes, that is often an excuse that is put in place. ‘Trail’ hunting has been called a “smokescreen” by senior members of the hunting world and was shown to be the case via leaked webinars last year.
Can I ask why?
Much like the RSPB taking a stand on cats killing wildlife.
Thank you for your message.
The League Against Cruel Sports is confident that in raising this issue and campaign, it will add pressure to the NT to change the suspension of the ban, to a permanent one.
My contact with hunt sabs and the league dates from the 90s at university through to observing them in my local area when the hunt is out. Whether they are strictly part of the league or not I find organised opposition on hunts almost as bad as the illegal hunts. Bear in mind I know some there go for the thrill of action and potential arrest. They go with a solicitors card and number ready.
BTW I also have issues with other organisations that claim to have animal welfare at their heart but still cause harm and distress to animals in the process of their campaigning. There's a long history of malpractice and bad actions on both sides that I cannot support either.
Afterwards we went to the pub, which was full of hunt supporters, obviously we stank and were soundly beaten up.
When you don't even know who's in the team
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