@steveTu you said “… I heard someone on the TV talking about misogyny- I am not convinced that has much to do with it. I think its more likely power ….”
Thats what, in effect, misogyny actually is.
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I've had a problem with the head of the Met police for a while @Fairygirl, it seems she has something on some important people as nothing can touch her. She's been involved in so many cover ups she can't be trusted.
"I think everything said here by women (apart from the sexual assault side) about fear could be equally be said by men."
@steveTu the problem is that bit in the brackets is what we're talking about here.
Totally agree with you about much of violence being about power though. Edit to add: misogyny isn't as simple as 'woman hater' though, whatever the origins of the word. It's about a world view where women are worth less than men. It's at the root of all violence against women because it interplays so horribly with the dynamics of power you were talking about.
Some women don't help their cause though. Many years ago i was walking home in the early hours. I came across a man pinning a woman to a wall by her neck and punching her full in the face with the other hand. I was on the opposite side of the road and shouted at him to stop what he was doing. He asked if i wanted some of it, so i said yeah, you t****r, or words to that effect. I ended up on top of him punching his lights out, when i felt a pain in my head. The woman was whacking me with her shoe and shouting at me to 'leave her man alone'. I walked away and left them to it.
One thing, when you see these articles, woman gets very drunk,then says she was raped, because she was too drunk to agree to sex. As you all say, you've got to look after yourself. Staggering around rip roaring drink is plain stupidity. Seems to be quite usual these days to have sex with someone on the first date,or a one night stand. But you're correct,you are more likely to be attacked,murdered (as a woman) by someone you know.
Some women don't help their cause though. Many years ago i was walking home in the early hours. I came across a man pinning a woman to a wall by her neck and punching her full in the face with the other hand. I was on the opposite side of the road and shouted at him to stop what he was doing. He asked if i wanted some of it, so i said yeah, you t****r, or words to that effect. I ended up on top of him punching his lights out, when i felt a pain in my head. The woman was whacking me with her shoe and shouting at me to 'leave her man alone'. I walked away and left them to it.
Hmmm. Just a thought, but if she had not 'stood up for him', is it possible that the humiliation of having a taste of his own medicine would just have meant a worse beating for her next time? Abuse in relationships is such an incredibly complex beast I wouldn't presume to judge a woman in that position.
How many people fantasize for years about going out and beating up a man in the street or at a football match, and plan and prepare to do it, down to the nth degree?
Sexual violence by a predator (against whatever gender) is what we’re talking about … it is particularly chilling … and yet it seems that fantasizing about sexual violence against women can be the subject of ‘banter’ amongst groups of men … and even policemen don’t find it concerning enough to raise the alarm with their senior officers.
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One thing, when you see these articles, woman gets very drunk,then says she was raped, because she was too drunk to agree to sex. As you all say, you've got to look after yourself. Staggering around rip roaring drink is plain stupidity. Seems to be quite usual these days to have sex with someone on the first date,or a one night stand. But you're correct,you are more likely to be attacked,murdered (as a woman) by someone you know.
But we're all in agreement that being so drunk you can't push a man away while you say no doesn't mean you're up for him sticking it in anyway... We are, aren't we?
Yes, women can take steps men don't need to to help lower their chance of being assaulted. The one doing the raping is still ALWAYS the one to blame for the assault, so it makes sense to start there with prevention.
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Thats what, in effect, misogyny actually is.
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@steveTu the problem is that bit in the brackets is what we're talking about here.
Totally agree with you about much of violence being about power though. Edit to add: misogyny isn't as simple as 'woman hater' though, whatever the origins of the word. It's about a world view where women are worth less than men. It's at the root of all violence against women because it interplays so horribly with the dynamics of power you were talking about.
I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
Many years ago i was walking home in the early hours. I came across a man pinning a woman to a wall by her neck and punching her full in the face with the other hand. I was on the opposite side of the road and shouted at him to stop what he was doing. He asked if i wanted some of it, so i said yeah, you t****r, or words to that effect. I ended up on top of him punching his lights out, when i felt a pain in my head. The woman was whacking me with her shoe and shouting at me to 'leave her man alone'.
I walked away and left them to it.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
Yes, women can take steps men don't need to to help lower their chance of being assaulted. The one doing the raping is still ALWAYS the one to blame for the assault, so it makes sense to start there with prevention.