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Racism in football ... stop it now!

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  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    punkdoc said:
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    On a brighter note, isn't it nice not to be hearing incessant tweeting from the orange one, I love having no idea what the President is thinking every moment.
    @punkdoc I presume you're using the word 'thinking' quite loosely ...?

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  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
     :) 
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    punkdoc said:
    Totally agree that the whole world seems to be becoming less tolerant, fuelled imo by the rise in right wing populist governments.

    On a brighter note, isn't it nice not to be hearing incessant tweeting from the orange one, I love having no idea what the President is thinking every moment.

    I used to love them. The humour...the insanity. Then to have Christian Fraser and Katty Kay have to try to analyse what he'd been up to on 100 Days (100+ Days, Beyond a 100 Days...etc) was just brilliant - and seeing the look of shock on the American Political commentators' faces (Ron Christie's expressions were a joy to behold) will live with me forever. I think Jon Sopel gave up at times in utter disbelief.

    I don't think it's a trick. We needed manpower (Shaun) after the war - the Empire had the manpower. What do you do? Ditto over the past EU decades. The manpower was required - there were people who could and were able to move here easily (and in the EU case, easily move back home). Win-win in that respect. But it's a nightmare isn't it? Where do you settle migrants or should I say encourage them to settle? It has to be where the works is really doesn't it? Where do you settle poor people who have come here to better their lives? I can't see any option that doesn't end in pee'ing some group off.  You'd really like to spread the impact over all areas over the whole country wouldn't you? But what occurs is gravity. Jo(e) arrives and says to cousin Bert(ha) to come over - so they come to the same area to see a friendly face. That just grows until new communities arise. Nobodys' done anything wrong that you or I wouldn't do in their circumstances. Ex-pat communities exist around the globe and roughly work in the same 'clumping' way.

    UK - South Coast Retirement Campus (East)
  • philippasmith2philippasmith2 Posts: 3,742
    Loxley said:
    @Posy Interestingly enough, just a few months ago on Radio 5 Live, there was a caller who used the word Black when discussing racist attitudes.  The presenter, Jim Davidson I think, immediately told the caller that the term black was unacceptable and that he should have used the term " person of colour ".
    Jim Davidson was trolling the caller... This is what he considers 'comedy': 

    “They are protesting, most of them are of colour, you can’t say BAME anymore, that’s offensive as well now.

    “Mostly black people and a few young white snowflake birds and other idiots are saying there is no black in the Union Jack and so they took it down and burnt it.

    Watch - Reactions as Jim Davidson publishes video titled 'There's no black in the Union Jack' (thelondoneconomic.com)
    Thanks for that @Loxley --I very rarely listen to 5 Live but had just tuned in whilst waiting for another programme.  I hadn't come across Jim Davidson before so didn't realise what he was up to .

  • philippasmith2philippasmith2 Posts: 3,742
    I don't think Jim Davidson has ever said anything that wasn't offensive ... it's his raison d'etre.   Appalling man.
    At least I know to avoid him in future thanks to @Loxley ;)
  • PosyPosy Posts: 3,601
    It's true that there was some shortage of labour but quite a lot would have magically appeared, had the wages been higher.
  • PosyPosy Posts: 3,601
    Have you seen the Pathe news announcing they were coming "to do the jobs we don't want to do"?
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    The folk from the Caribbean thought they were coming to 'help the Mother country' ... some mother we turned out to be  :/

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  • philippasmith2philippasmith2 Posts: 3,742
    @Loxley - "taking our jobs" is not just restricted to the UK,  When I lived in Spain - a rural area far from any expat community - 1 of my neighbours constantly moaned about the migrant workers who worked the surrounding veg/fruit fields.  Oddly enough, she and her husband had been "migrant workers" in France in previous years and couldn't grasp why I queried her sentiments.  Mostly East Europeans, many lived in truly appalling conditions but were unfailingly polite and friendly towards me.  Indeed, I often offered them a cooling drink or a dip in the pool and they would give me the odd bit of produce which they were currently harvesting.
    When I returned to the UK after some 10 years, the first thing I noticed was the amount of rubbish strewn along the roadsides and the 2nd thing was overhearing people moaning about migrants taking over their jobs and that was in 2011 - way before Brexit or Covid.  The Brexit debate was accompanied by so much rubbish about employing non nationals ( more often than not in lower paid physical labour ) that it would almost have been funny if it wasn't so serious.
    Now we are begging anyone who is currently jobless to pick our veg and fruit for us.  Defies belief !
  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    Being born and loving in a Sussex village,I never saw a none white person. Even our last Surrey village,there was just one non white chap, really nice,who ran my nearest handy shop, but he didn't live there. This was ,20 years ago, not the dark ages
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