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Racism in football ... stop it now!

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    Mariam_86 said:

    It was reported that Marcus Rashford's mural was defaced with racist graffiti and that the police were treating it as a racist crime. Most of the media seem to be presenting it in this way but I haven't been able to find any evidence of racist words being used to deface it. Maybe I'm wrong? Is one idiot with a spray can evidence of systematic racism in English football or in England as a whole? The Tour de France has a team of workers who spend their days covering up graffiti https://cyclingmagazine.ca/sections/news/how-the-tour-de-france-disguises-the-phallic-artwork-on-its-route/ Foreign media especially is presenting the situation to be worse than it is and I've seen a lot of posts from Americans who thought the whole crowd were chanting racist insults rather than the true number. The media is describing a 'torrent of racist abuse' via social media but doesn't back that up with any kind of evidence of numbers. Only a very few outlets seem to cite that Twitter deleted around 1000 messages that were deemed to be against their TOS. Out of over 18 million UK twitter accounts does that seem like a torrent of racist abuse? I imagine there was a lot more abuse than that but you can't say it's racist just because the target was black.


    Marcus Rashford’s mural was defaced and the police are treating it as a hate crime - as racist graffiti. 

    I find it very strange that you invest your energy into questioning whether the graffiti was racist. 

    You take a very defensive position as do many others on this forum topic. I wonder what it is that many of you are trying to defend.

    It seems to me a little pointless to engage in a debate when people have assumed such a defensive position to begin with. 

    If you are interested, I would recommend the article below, which I’ve copied an extract from. 

    “Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People about race.”
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    That title is the title of a book on race matters published last year I believe. The whole article is an extract I believe of that book. It's a highly rated book for people actually interested in matters pertaining to race and racism.

    However my first impressions of that book's sentiment and subtitle, were to shut down talk with white people about racism seems a bit of a wrong step,  you should debate and try to change minds for the better right? Thinking more deeply about it I can see how it feels like a brick wall. Even seemingly sensible types become cynical and unable or unwilling to accept the experiences of BAME people. Like White people know better or something.

    More recently it seems BAME people are doing all the heavy lifting in this. As a White male I wonder if it's my turn to take some of the load. It's it not better to accept the experiences that we White people simply cannot experience in our country. Certainly not in the same way as the minority. Do we know more or have more insight than those living it? Or in the case of that wall the police who treat it as a hate crime because it was racist graffiti.
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