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  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    Really successful people have someone else to answer their phones.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    it will be interesting to see what occurs with recycling as well. At the moment there are too few sales of EVs to see battery recycling as a problem (given that the batteries may have a 10-15 year life). But in 10 years from the first volume sales -  and 2025 is predicted to be 25% EV (so 500,000+?) - you'll be seeing that number of batteries having to be recycled each year. BUT, given that the metals involved in battery production as at a premium, I would guess there will be quite a few companies offering the service and perfecting mechanisms for disassembly.
    The figures for lithium battery recycling isn't too good at the moment though.
    I'd love to see the figures for EV and battery production (including the metal ore mining etc) - through to recycling and compare that to a fossil car to see how much 'pollutant' is actually saved. How much do the batteries weigh - 500kg? So just lumping those around takes wads of energy before you even add any passengers.

    PS my daughter and her husband have just got an EV - a Tesla. But it's not 'ego' per se. He was offered a company car, and the Tesla was an option - and the company put in the home charge point as well. I'm not sure how well it will work for them as they both work from home - so it's mainly local driving (so good) - but his family are up't'north (not blue face woad painted north, but still north enough to get a nosebleed. So bad.) - so I'd be wary about doing those trips. They have kept their old fossil car though. I wonder if that is also a reason for 2nd hand car prices being high? That people moving to EV are keeping their old cars as insurance, when before they would have ditched one to get the other?

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  • NorthernJoeNorthernJoe Posts: 660
    JennyJ said:
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    At our local university they've added quite a few charging points. If you plug in there you don't need to pay for parking. Can you guess what happens? You're right, no free charging points! Especially since they've been put into the parking spots nearest to the places people want to go. Disabled and charging points with all the other parking spots set away from everywhere except student accommodation areas. No good for workers.

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    Maybe there should be a big fine for parking a non-electric car in a charging point space. Maybe also for leaving a car there for long after it's fully charged, but that would be harder to do I think. I drive a petrol car, so no personal axe to grind, but as more of us turn to electric (and I did think about it 5 years ago when I last changed cars, but it just wasn't practical for me)  there need to be some rules to at least deter the inconsiderate behaviour of what I hope is a small minority.
    No, EV in charging point but not charging as full or not turned on but plugged in to look like it. Whatever it is they stay there all day possibly longer hogging the charging points.
  • NorthernJoeNorthernJoe Posts: 660
    B3 said:
    Really successful people have someone else to answer their phones.
    I doubt that's true. They have other powerful people's numbers in their own phones I'd have thought. It's knowing the right people and having their number to reach them when they need to and to have their call answered.
  • JennyJJennyJ Posts: 10,576
    I think most people would agree that it's selfish to hog the charge point all day.  What to do about it though, if by the time the car's charged, all the other spaces around the area are full. Dedicated spaces for electric cars only? Some means of reserving a space to move to when the charging is done? I don't know what the answer is.
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  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    Pink tie would be able to give us a definitive answer, I'm sure.
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    edited July 2021
    Isn't that the issue with plug and drive? You can only ever rely on your own charge point being available? I see Tesco (other - better - SMs are available almost everywhere) are advertising charge points. That's fine as a nicety, but no-one in their right mind will let their car run down so far that they have to rely on one to be available would they? So the insanity is, I would guess, that the people actually using them to charge their cars don't really need to.
    Edited to add: maybe then the charge point manufacturers could  build in an optional operator settable charge level indicator on the charge equipment and refuse to charge if the battery is already at a certain level? Or where a time limit is reached - so the car charges for the typical shopping time only irrespective of the battery charge level.

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  • NorthernJoeNorthernJoe Posts: 660
    Or start to extract the charge after its been plugged in fully charged for a length of time. Plug it at the start of your day and if your car's still there in two hours or say charging time plus a certain percentage extra then your juice gets extracted without you getting a refund. A penalty charge being automatically applied for charging point hogging

    This of course would work even better for induction charging as a plug in could easily be parked up without the plug connection being made or being made but no charging started.

    Perhaps parking tickets need to be applied. You get say 2 hours then a ticket because his long do these charging points take now? If you've been there a lot longer then ticket. At the university they go through periods of excessive ticketing but only when the weather is nice. Rain and you're ok? Cold or windy you're ok. It's all private property so they can ticket I believe. They do even those cars with season parking tickets. They often try it on with the "season ticket not on display" trick if you have it in a corner? The photo taken from an angle that obscures it even if that means the guy is in middle of the road to take it!! I'm sure they'll be very happy let loose on the charging  Point hoggers!!
  • NorthernJoeNorthernJoe Posts: 660
    In case you're in any doubt, i go very curmudgeonly about inconsiderate behaviour, especially when car related.
  • NorthernJoeNorthernJoe Posts: 660
    Is there a shortage of bamboo canes at your local GCs? All ours have shortages. One only has loose or broken canes that they aren't selling another only has them so long you'd struggle to get them home because they're about 4m long!!!
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