Thank you @Nollie and @edhelka for your thoughts. I didn’t realise New Dawn was a vigorous variety too - at least it’s been more manageable than Etoile so far! Putting canes on top of each other was exactly what I tried not to do (rubbed and diseased etc) but I mat try that this summer. The whole thing may have to come out this autumn so nothing to lose I guess! Btw, my rose of the day is Thomas a Becket, beautiful arching shape this summer.
@Sammymummy I would guess the main probelm with Etoile is the lack of flowers. Looking at the picture, I don't think Etoile is too big for the wall.
My (very inexpert) thought might be to try pruning down to four or five main canes and trying to get these four trained very horizontally, rather than in a fan. You can prune the laterals back down to six inches. Regular feeding might lead to generation of more blooms. As it's right up against the wall, make sure it's getting a lot of extra water through the summer.
Trellising might look good against that wall.
I think some careful and specific pruning might well help the situation. But others here will know on this.
Well I watched it and he did say he was simplifying and explaining ‘the basics’ of deadheading and to me he actually did that well and clearly IF we are talking about most modern floribunda, hybrid tea and shrub roses, but…
1. If you followed the letter of the video and enthusiastically over-deadheaded and ‘groomed’ as you go (reduced the height by up to a third) many rambling or old roses that flower on old wood, you wouldn’t get many blooms the following year!
2. There are certain roses where new blooms form close behind the old ones, I have a few new polyantha and tea roses like that and have to be careful not to snip off nascent buds when deadheading, so the ‘deadhead down to the next healthy set of 5 leaves’ rule doesn’t work for those.
So the video should have had a warning about that.
Re climbers - I have seen him explain in much more detail on his other videos about climbing roses and how laterals can behave like/be trained into main canes, how to renovate a messy, tangled climber etc., so that bit tagged on the end was only half the story, but I did agree with the main point- don’t prune the main canes but prune the laterals after flowering. As to which is which, well that’s partly up to the rose and partly up to you!
@peteS sorry about your rain-battered roses, especially your Chianti, I was looking forward to seeing that one in it’s glory - do you have any before photos you could post?
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
I've been taking pictures but haven't had time to edit them or post, so I am doing an image dump now It was dry here for a week but the last two days were finally rainy.
21/6 Alba maxima, 2nd year Silas Marner Chippendale Agnes Schilliger is very pretty, I just wish it was more disease resistant Pheno geno Mileva, 21/6 and 24/6
Yesterday, the peony is finally starting and Empereur Charles IV. too - they seem to be perfect colour match La Belle Rouge just starting, with clematis Samaritan Jo
Rose of the day, Summer Sweetheart, a Harkness climber, unbothered by rain and blusters. I let the front of this border lie fallow 😉 this year with view to a replant over winter, involving a couple of new roses and some other part shade favourites.
As usual, enjoying following the thread and everyone's wonderful roses - and other stuff! I'm currently on holiday and coming to the end of the week. Before I left, most of my roses were only just in bud, hopefully I'll return to some actual flowers I can share! In the meantime though, I've been living vicariously through all the amazing roses in the gardens we've visited here. The perfect time for them. I won't bore you with all the photos I've taken but we've been to Wollerton Old Hall, Sissinghurst and Hidcote amongst others but perhaps best of all for roses was RHS Wisley. First time I've ever been and what a selection! Great getting to see some of the varieties you all post pictures of on here and lots added to my list - though I've no where to put them. One I will post was one I'd never heard of and I don't think is available in the UK, a lovely single called 'The Charlatan'
It reminded me a little of Nollie's 'Astronomia' which I covet! Gosh I wish I lived nearer Wisley!
Posts
Btw, my rose of the day is Thomas a Becket, beautiful arching shape this summer.
1. If you followed the letter of the video and enthusiastically over-deadheaded and ‘groomed’ as you go (reduced the height by up to a third) many rambling or old roses that flower on old wood, you wouldn’t get many blooms the following year!
2. There are certain roses where new blooms form close behind the old ones, I have a few new polyantha and tea roses like that and have to be careful not to snip off nascent buds when deadheading, so the ‘deadhead down to the next healthy set of 5 leaves’ rule doesn’t work for those.
So the video should have had a warning about that.
Re climbers - I have seen him explain in much more detail on his other videos about climbing roses and how laterals can behave like/be trained into main canes, how to renovate a messy, tangled climber etc., so that bit tagged on the end was only half the story, but I did agree with the main point- don’t prune the main canes but prune the laterals after flowering. As to which is which, well that’s partly up to the rose and partly up to you!
@peteS sorry about your rain-battered roses, especially your Chianti, I was looking forward to seeing that one in it’s glory - do you have any before photos you could post?
Here’s a description of New Dawn, https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.4460
It does say very vigorous, but also shade tolerant, so that’s good!
21/6
Alba maxima, 2nd year
Silas Marner
Chippendale
Agnes Schilliger is very pretty, I just wish it was more disease resistant
Pheno geno Mileva, 21/6 and 24/6
Yesterday, the peony is finally starting and Empereur Charles IV. too - they seem to be perfect colour match
La Belle Rouge just starting, with clematis Samaritan Jo
And simply wow on Thomas a Becket @Sammymummy
Just a couple of photos of Vanessa Bell, newly bought thanks to this forum 😅
The fragrance is very faint, wonder if it’s because it’s not yet established?
I let the front of this border lie fallow 😉 this year with view to a replant over winter, involving a couple of new roses and some other part shade favourites.
As usual, enjoying following the thread and everyone's wonderful roses - and other stuff! I'm currently on holiday and coming to the end of the week. Before I left, most of my roses were only just in bud, hopefully I'll return to some actual flowers I can share! In the meantime though, I've been living vicariously through all the amazing roses in the gardens we've visited here. The perfect time for them. I won't bore you with all the photos I've taken but we've been to Wollerton Old Hall, Sissinghurst and Hidcote amongst others but perhaps best of all for roses was RHS Wisley. First time I've ever been and what a selection! Great getting to see some of the varieties you all post pictures of on here and lots added to my list - though I've no where to put them. One I will post was one I'd never heard of and I don't think is available in the UK, a lovely single called 'The Charlatan'
It reminded me a little of Nollie's 'Astronomia' which I covet! Gosh I wish I lived nearer Wisley!