You can only chose to buy or not if the labelling makes it clear what is being offered. At the moment, that tends not to be the case and you have to have done quite a lot of research into the different standards before you get to the shop. I recently was doing a Zoom Quiz thingy with a group of environmentalists and a question of 'which of these farm standard labels has the highest welfare' came up. 2 of us were adamant it was one of them, one was positive it was a different one and 3 of the team had no idea at all. All university educated people with concerns about the planet. I think it is deliberately obscured so that we DON'T exercise choice effectively.
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“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
Agreed @raisingirl they will only stick to minimum required labelling and there are far too many extra sub brands and quasi quality marks made by the sellers to create a false sense of trust and traceability. Confusion means sales so the only ones not losing out are the big food producers.
I would like the labelling on meat to indicate how much water has been pumped into it. You buy mince labelled 5,10,20% fat content. If you factor in the added water, youre not getting much meat for your money. The same goes for chicken that has water added for 'succulence' -yeh right. When you cook it, you have to drain the 'succulence' out of the pan.
I'm not sure I agree @Hostafan1 choose not to sign or support, definitely. But always comment, question, debate to further understand the issues. If @strelitzia32 has concerns about the motives or provenance of the petition then it is absolutely right to challenge the idea as that opens the way to better understanding.
@Dovefromabove countered the conspiracy theory with an EU consumer document and so the debate goes on. Debate broadens horizons, expands knowledge and may change minds
When I buy chicken I have to read long and hard to make sure I find the "free range/élévé en plein air" tag. I do only look at local and regional producers. Pork is easier for some reason. Don't buy much beef and lamb is expensive.
Fruit and veggies are easy as local, seasonal producers have SM promotions for now to support local businesses and growers.
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"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
Waitrose have already said they won't stock chlorine washed meat
The problem is they're too small to actually matter. What the big three do is much more important and without proper labelling we will be in the dark and have to trust them to not use substandard products especially when in some way processed eg ready meals and pies etc.
chlorinated chicken is like a survey/ petition, if you don't agree with it, walk away
That's like saying "if you don't want Toryism, move to another country". "If you mind the NHS being sold off, go private", "If you object to fascism, find somewhere more sheltered". Health, education, food, water - they are ours collectively. What happens to them matters to everyone and countless future generations. We are talking about public goods, not pork pies.
"In every deliberation, we must consider our impact on the seventh generation ahead."
chlorinated chicken is like a survey/ petition, if you don't agree with it, walk away
That's like saying "if you don't want Toryism, move to another country". "If you mind the NHS being sold off, go private", "If you object to fascism, find somewhere more sheltered". Health, education, food, water - they are ours collectively. What happens to them matters to everyone and countless future generations. We are talking about public goods, not pork pies.
"In every deliberation, we must consider our impact on the seventh generation ahead."
what total tosh. Nobody has to move country because someone else has asked folk to look at a petition , or chooses to buy shitty food. This thread has deteriorated into the level of stupid conspiracy theories and paranoia.
Without getting (more) political, we're all being hopelessly manipulated by advertisers into believing certain things are an acceptable way of life. We used to exist quite happily without 'Pay Day Loans' being rammed down our necks, and we're almost incomplete these days without our 'credit rating', but do we challenge the fact that Flash 'cleans the impossible'?
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I recently was doing a Zoom Quiz thingy with a group of environmentalists and a question of 'which of these farm standard labels has the highest welfare' came up. 2 of us were adamant it was one of them, one was positive it was a different one and 3 of the team had no idea at all. All university educated people with concerns about the planet.
I think it is deliberately obscured so that we DON'T exercise choice effectively.
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
Fruit and veggies are easy as local, seasonal producers have SM promotions for now to support local businesses and growers.
Nobody has to move country because someone else has asked folk to look at a petition , or chooses to buy shitty food.
This thread has deteriorated into the level of stupid conspiracy theories and paranoia.