Everybody is already aware of Stephen Kinnock. Nobody condones it. He didn't have symptoms though did he? So arguably not as serious a breach.
What is with Tories who think that 'look someone else did it too!' is a good defence of an irresponsible or unethical action?
So what your saying is its okay for 4 Labour Mps to break the lockdown? As long their not nasty tories and didn't have symptoms? How does anyone know these people didn't have symptoms? How do we know that none of the 100+ mourners at the funeral Tahir Ali attended didn't have coronavirus symptoms? Stinks of total hypocracy. As for "everyone knowing" , I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the UK public who rely on the BBC and ITV for their news, wouldn't even know who steven kinnock was, let alone he was spoken to by the police for breaking lockdown. It simply hasn't been reported
Everybody is already awa re of Stephen Kinnock. Nobody condones it. He didn't have symptoms though did he? So arguably not as serious a breach.
What is with Tories who think that 'look someone else did it too!' is a good defence of an irresponsible or unethical action?
So what your saying is its okay for 4 Labour Mps to break the lockdown?
I'm very obviously not saying that, as I'm sure you know seeing as you can clearly read English.
No you tried to quantify one incident was worse than the other. The point still stands, I don't realy care what happens to Cummings one way or another. What I dislike is how the UK media has whipped the public into a state of frenzy about Cummings. I can see why recent studies have found the UK to have highest levels of coronavirus related anxiety. Our media is frankly appaling
Yet we have elected members also breaking the lockdown, with hardly any media coverage. I get that a lot of people don't like Cummings, particularly the media. However, Nobody should be subject to the level of abuse, press camping outside people's houses that Cummings has had to put up with. Id say the same it it was Corbyn, Starmer or Abbott
I believe that Stephen Kinnock admitted that he was wrong and apologised. He was also fined by police. I don't seek to justify what he did but at least the outcome was more satisfactory.
What I dislike is how the UK media has whipped the public into a state of frenzy about Cummings. I can see why recent studies have found the UK to have highest levels of coronavirus related anxiety. Our media is frankly appaling
They do tend to over-use exaggerated phrases like 'whipped into a state of frenzy' that's for sure...
If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
I believe that Stephen Kinnock admitted that he was wrong and apologised. He was also fined by police. I don't seek to justify what he did but at least the outcome was more satisfactory.
I think what is striking me more than anything - and it makes me immensely sad - is it reinforces how tribalised we've become.
There are those, for sure, who despise Cummings for his role in Brexit and in getting Johnson elected. For some in this camp there is no forgiving the man or giving him the benefit if the doubt.
And there are those who throw out lines like 'remoaner press', and who refuse to see a blemish on Cummings because he has helped deliver Brexit - or perhaps even worse, for no other reason other than the fact he's upset someone from the 'other tribe'.
I don't know when we started taking sides so forcefully that we lost the ability to reason and deny basic facts. But it makes me immensely sad to see it, particularly in the midst of a virus that cares not one jot about the colour of our jersey.
I know there are a lot on here who can see each issue on its own terms, and that gives me hope.
For those who see this as the latest move in a bigger struggle - or who insist - consciously or subconsciously - on seeing this through the lens of Brexit...stop it, please. Tribalising everything also means we stop seeing the complexity of the world around us and, more sadly, seems to limit our ability to see the humanity in others - and therefore to empathise with them.
I believe that Stephen Kinnock admitted that he was wrong and apologised. He was also fined by police. I don't seek to justify what he did but at least the outcome was more satisfactory.
I stand corrected! Which doesn't really change what I was trying to say though. Stephen Kinnock was caught and dealt with in the way any other person would have been (probably - I know some people might have been fined but this probably depends as much on the particular police who were involved) and apologised.
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What is with Tories who think that 'look someone else did it too!' is a good defence of an irresponsible or unethical action?
As for "everyone knowing" , I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the UK public who rely on the BBC and ITV for their news, wouldn't even know who steven kinnock was, let alone he was spoken to by the police for breaking lockdown. It simply hasn't been reported
The point still stands, I don't realy care what happens to Cummings one way or another. What I dislike is how the UK media has whipped the public into a state of frenzy about Cummings. I can see why recent studies have found the UK to have highest levels of coronavirus related anxiety. Our media is frankly appaling
Yet we have elected members also breaking the lockdown, with hardly any media coverage. I get that a lot of people don't like Cummings, particularly the media. However,
Nobody should be subject to the level of abuse, press camping outside people's houses that Cummings has had to put up with. Id say the same it it was Corbyn, Starmer or Abbott
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-stephen-kinnock-labour-neil-birthday-visit-police-warning-twitter-a9433281.html
I think what is striking me more than anything - and it makes me immensely sad - is it reinforces how tribalised we've become.
There are those, for sure, who despise Cummings for his role in Brexit and in getting Johnson elected. For some in this camp there is no forgiving the man or giving him the benefit if the doubt.
And there are those who throw out lines like 'remoaner press', and who refuse to see a blemish on Cummings because he has helped deliver Brexit - or perhaps even worse, for no other reason other than the fact he's upset someone from the 'other tribe'.
I don't know when we started taking sides so forcefully that we lost the ability to reason and deny basic facts. But it makes me immensely sad to see it, particularly in the midst of a virus that cares not one jot about the colour of our jersey.
I know there are a lot on here who can see each issue on its own terms, and that gives me hope.
For those who see this as the latest move in a bigger struggle - or who insist - consciously or subconsciously - on seeing this through the lens of Brexit...stop it, please. Tribalising everything also means we stop seeing the complexity of the world around us and, more sadly, seems to limit our ability to see the humanity in others - and therefore to empathise with them.