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....more Rose Garden notes...2020

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  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    About roses and their scents, or lack of, and disease resistance..

    Something I was told a while ago, was that on the Rose genome, the genes for scent, and the genes for disease resistance, sit side by side.. therefore what usually happens is that one overrides the other... so often is the case you get a strongly scented rose with disease, and a disease free rose with little scent..
    ...marrying these two together is the prize of all rose breeders, which is why some of the bigger names, like Austin and Kordes, Beales and Harkness, have to sow hundreds of thousands of seeds - hybridising by quantity, playing the numbers game, because only that way can they be reasonably confident of getting one or two roses that will carry that off.. plus have the merit of continuous blooming.. compact graceful shape, and easy to manage...  a really tall order..

    Even then, there is usually a trade off, in that the scent is rarely quite as enticing as portrayed in the catalogues..

    ..one rose that I think succeeded in getting all this together is 'Royal Jubilee'... 

    East Anglia, England
  • peteSpeteS Posts: 966
    Delightful, and a great use of space. A couple of questions if I may. What is that lovely pink rose in the corner, and I have just potted on a "Niobe" for next year, but can't help noticing yours is somewhat shorter than the height stated on the label. Do you grow it up a short frame to achieve a desired effect. Many thanks.
  • lilysillylilysilly Posts: 511
    Thanks for the clear explanation on rose leaves and why they drop and can get blackspot, makes a lot of sense really. The only rose I grow that I ever pick bad spotted leaves from is Abraham Darby, as it suffers the most in my garden. However, the colour, flower form and scent is beautiful  so I tolerate its one weakness .
    Today I dropped into a garden centre  I rarely use, but we had to buy a new bulb for the car so I thought while we were in this part of town why not. They had a huge variety of roses, many freshly delivered and still being displayed. I was pleasantly  surprised to see many discussed lately here. I saw Marie Pavie, lovely little rose , there was a section of roses with "Corrines' Choice" on the label, not sure who she is mind but she has good taste. There were some beauties with a lot of European names, amongst  them was Aquarell, it is very striking in real life. They also had a  Renaissance section. The fragrance  on some of these roses was amazing, the flower form on many was typically Old English.  I feel if these roses were under the DA brand  and more widely known they would be best sellers, all under £12 too. Sadly, I'd rushed out without reading glasses, pad and pencil or phone so I can't remember  their names off hand.
    I do like your pale blue/ lilac rose very much. There was one very similar today, I think it was being sold as Blue Lady. It had a very fresh scent and lots of buds and good foliage.


  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    edited May 2020
    @lilysilly
    ..this sounds like a similar garden centre to one Mr Vine Eye went to.. I remember he said something about Corrinne's choice, and lots of DA look a like roses.. I can't remember where that was now...  I think they're imported from Holland.. if they originated here for instance, Aquarell would be called Perfect Harmony, as that's its name in the UK... so it must have come from abroad...

    East Anglia, England
  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    Many thanks Marlorena for that guidance on rose leaves, which I didn't know before. I'll walk round and inspect my roses later!  Took a lot of photos this morning but haven't had time to download and edit them yet, hopefully later. I was excited to see the first blooms on two of my new roses today, a rose pink one and an apricot.
    North East Somerset - Clay soil over limestone
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