Well we're moving off topic here, like when the "usual suspects," tried to turn my thead on the "Tools and Techniques" forum on how to cheaply install a couple of mains powered lawn sprinklers, into a crusade to "use less water and save the planet."
I could have suggested to any of them that they should go down to their local golf course, where there will be a sophisticated sprinkler system to water 18 greens and 18 tees and ask for a face to face with the head greenkeeper to "tell him where he's got it all wrong."
It was a bit of a waste of time, in that you can't move water in volume from wet areas to dry areas, because the infrastructure isn't there. But I couldn't be bothered at the time so I just walked away from it.
This thread is about one person wanting to install lights in their garden. Like many and mine I'm sure it will be for infrequent use and the local wildlife who don't see garden fences as barriers will be used to some artificial lighting already.
But it's been entertaining.
If some like it dark and quiet then who minds? But it isn't relevant to the thread.
I don't agree, @Doghouse Riley. If someone asked a question about drowning their garden in pesticides, the response would be to advise against action that might cause significant damage to wildlife or the environment. Artificial lighting is a blight in many areas today, overpowering the beautiful light that should be available to all of us. I cannot see how informing someone how to pollute his neighbourhood would be appropriate on a forum like this.
I don't agree, @Doghouse Riley. If someone asked a question about drowning their garden in pesticides, the response would be to advise against action that might cause significant damage to wildlife or the environment. Artificial lighting is a blight in many areas today, overpowering the beautiful light that should be available to all of us. I cannot see how informing someone how to pollute his neighbourhood would be appropriate on a forum like this.
Well.. on this thread no one mentioned drowning their gardens in pesticides. I'd suggest you find a thread where someone has and then "you can put them right."
Here someone wanted to put just a couple of lights in their garden for cryin' out loud and was asking for advice.
I'm sorry if you misunderstood. I used the pesticide comparison because I thought it appropriate in terms of causing harm to the environment. I don't need to start a crusade because there are already several in existence but I am surprised that you think light pollution is unimportant. I didn't intend to ' put someone right', just to make a plea for the value of natural light.
I'm sorry if you misunderstood. I used the pesticide comparison because I thought it appropriate in terms of causing harm to the environment. I don't need to start a crusade because there are already several in existence but I am surprised that you think light pollution is unimportant. I didn't intend to ' put someone right', just to make a plea for the value of natural light.
I suggest you read the thread.'cos I think I covered it.
Human, bird and animal life adjust to changes in the environment.
"That's why we are still here."
Birds thrive in suburban gardens as they get fed all year round. They aren't really bothered by the lights, they get used to them from birth.
In reality, there are few lights in suburban gardens other than motion sensor security lights.
The main light polution comes from street lights and they are a 'elf n' safety requirement, so why are some making a big thing about it?
"Feast or famine" options cut no ice with me.
As the OP of this thread was asking for technical information, as was mine about the installation of inexpensive lawn sprinklers, has been hijacked by the "environmental crusaders," I'll leave it to them, as I did mine.
How do you account for the thousands of extinctions, then, as the result of environmental change? And as I understand it, some environmentalists argue that our use of artificial light at night is having a very detrimental effect on a number of species, especially some insects.
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Peace perfect peace. No houses here for almost a mile.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
No matter, it has stimulated some interest.