That’s such a shame about Beales. Hopefully EU nurseries/customs will get their act together soon regarding exports to the UK. I have had two orders from https://www.pepiniere-rosesloubert.com/ ‘specialists in ancient and botanical roses’ recently. They have an extensive catalogue and were all healthy and well-branched (if root pruned) but better than the Beales specimens I received. Worth checking with them if they can send to the UK if there are a few rarities you are after?
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Is it possible to generalise on Delbard roses. I've just ordered 'Belle de Jour' and noticed it was a 'Delbard' rose, of which I've never heard of. Just wondering if I can expect a trouble free experience with it, or not.
@peteS well it won rose of the year 2021 and is well rated on ‘helpmefind’ although only by two people. All of the roses from the breeder that have been rated on there are rated as excellent, including for disease resistance, so that would seem to be a good indicator 🙂
Thanks for that @Mr. Vine Eye...very useful site, one I'll be using more often. I couldn't figure out though whether it was an American site or a British site. But the rose and breeder do seem to have quite a few things going for them. It will be interesting to see how it lives up to them in my damp northern climate.
I bought a potted Belle de Jour aka Chateau de Cheverny last year @peteS. Unfortunately it got botyris blight and stem canker and died - but I’m sure it was just a duff plant, the graft hadn’t taken well and it had no roots when I hoiked it out. Hopefully that is not typical! Delbard is usually a reliable French breeder, I understand. I have their Rose de Molinard plus two new this year, Chartreuse de Parme and Guy Savoy.
Belle de Jour is meant to have a really good fragrance and has a coveted ADR designation, so should be reliable. It was released in Europe in 2016, but is fairly new to the UK, I think.
HMF is international with some European members but does major on US contributors, so you have to try and seek out those who grow a particular rose in a similar climate to yours to get an idea.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
Thanks @Nollie...here's hoping your problem was a one off...at least I'll be able to see if it has roots as I've bought a bare root. I also bought it cheap, £8, from Cottage Memories, whose reputation is sound I believe. I'm loving the other three you mentioned also, so they've been noted and if all goes well with this Delbard...
@Pete.8 yes I’m interested to see how CdP and GS get on. RdeM was a bit slow to start, but healthy, the blooms are luminous and fragrance is stunning, really strong grapefruit. The only drawback is the very full blooms and slightly delicate petals spoil in the rain a bit. Hope BdeJ does well for you.
A cautionary note on the planting in a box method...
To be on the safe side, re RRD, I planted Noella Nabonnand in a cardboard box sunk into the ground in a totally clean soil mix because that spot has trialled several red climbing roses over the years. I dug over the ground below and mixed in the same stuff below and around. Watered it in, all seemed fine. The whole box sunk by 2-3” overnight! If I had just topped it up, half the canes would have been buried, not just the graft, so had to lift it and replant. If I use that method again I will water in the hole and let it settle overnight before inserting the box. Then probably water in the bottom half of the box contents too. Also, it was bluddy backbreaking work - who knew how much spoil you have to dig out to fit a 45cm3 box in? Maybe a smaller box next time too!
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
^not something I've ever bothered with but often thought about doing so... in fact, I might try it out this Spring as I have a spot that needs considerable amendments otherwise.. thanks for the tips Nollie..
...these arrived today from Jackson's nurseries.. 2 x Chamaecyparis 'Pelt's Blue'... to go with my roses... slim steely blue conifers, suitable for narrow borders and corners, of which I have quite a few... also does well on hot dry banks once established and not too quick growing, so no pressures..
@Nollie ...I see you're getting 'Chartreuse de Parme'... I'm sure I've mentioned this before but I used to have this rose - maybe no surprise there ...
...it has a knockout scent... but of course being a HT you either like it or you don't..
...as it's quiet, and we shall likely be starting a new thread in a couple of weeks... here's another from yesteryear..
...if anybody is looking for a repeat flowering reddish rambler, a non-Austin that's incredibly easy to grow... I recommend 'Alexandre Girault'... ...it only repeats bloom if you totally leave it alone after the main flush... no cutting back... it will then continue blooming into autumn.. ..this picture circa 1993 in Cornwall, actually..
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Belle de Jour is meant to have a really good fragrance and has a coveted ADR designation, so should be reliable. It was released in Europe in 2016, but is fairly new to the UK, I think.
HMF is international with some European members but does major on US contributors, so you have to try and seek out those who grow a particular rose in a similar climate to yours to get an idea.
A cautionary note on the planting in a box method...
To be on the safe side, re RRD, I planted Noella Nabonnand in a cardboard box sunk into the ground in a totally clean soil mix because that spot has trialled several red climbing roses over the years. I dug over the ground below and mixed in the same stuff below and around. Watered it in, all seemed fine. The whole box sunk by 2-3” overnight! If I had just topped it up, half the canes would have been buried, not just the graft, so had to lift it and replant. If I use that method again I will water in the hole and let it settle overnight before inserting the box. Then probably water in the bottom half of the box contents too. Also, it was bluddy backbreaking work - who knew how much spoil you have to dig out to fit a 45cm3 box in? Maybe a smaller box next time too!
...these arrived today from Jackson's nurseries.. 2 x Chamaecyparis 'Pelt's Blue'... to go with my roses... slim steely blue conifers, suitable for narrow borders and corners, of which I have quite a few... also does well on hot dry banks once established and not too quick growing, so no pressures..
..I managed to plant one of them today..
...I see you're getting 'Chartreuse de Parme'... I'm sure I've mentioned this before but I used to have this rose - maybe no surprise there ...
...it has a knockout scent... but of course being a HT you either like it or you don't..
...if anybody is looking for a repeat flowering reddish rambler, a non-Austin that's incredibly easy to grow... I recommend 'Alexandre Girault'...
...it only repeats bloom if you totally leave it alone after the main flush... no cutting back... it will then continue blooming into autumn..
..this picture circa 1993 in Cornwall, actually..