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..the new ROSE season 2020...

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  • Lizzie27Lizzie27 Posts: 12,494
    A lovely selection there @Mr Vine Eye
    North East Somerset - Clay soil over limestone
  • edhelkaedhelka Posts: 2,351
    @Mr. Vine Eye I've seen 3 Gabriels today, two on Instagram and yours. And every single one of them seems to have a different growing habit (and different than mine). I would love to know how this rose matures. DAs often change in their habit and the general look of the shrub during their first 3 years, they are so hard to judge when young. I am considering creating a short hedge of GO in the front garden and can't make my mind about that.
  • evelinevelin Posts: 18
    Marlorena said:

    Mutabilis got to 6 feet tall and 10 feet wide before I found I couldn't cope with it.. but I do want it back again, I have another spot, as it's too good not to have..


    @Marlorena, sorry, had to quote that lovely picture, hope my Mutabilis will be similar to yours, it was gorgeous to look at it, not surprise you want it back.

    Regarding Bengal Crimson I've seen it at Trevor's white website, or maybe I will get it form somewhere else.
    Do you know if it would tolerate a bit of shade?And a bit poorer soil?  I got a lovely quiet place for it, next to the fence, it would have even a bit of winter sun, which is quite unusual for my north east facing garden(Mutabilis is having it as well) At the moment I have there Lady Emma Hamilton, which is not coping  unfortunately, as there is too dry and too shady for her, even though, she grows more than half a meter from the fence (so actually Bengal would not go exactly in Emma;s place) Obviously she succumbed to all sorts of fungal diseases since May. Hope Bengal Crimson is more resisting. Interestingly, closer to the fence,there is growing another rose, Zepherin Druhin, and she is only starting getting some black spots, but on the first look she looks pristine and healthy, and she is the one of poor resistance to black spot, not Lady Emma.
  • edhelkaedhelka Posts: 2,351
    edited August 2020
    Tack said:

    Do the dreaded BS and other rose problems 'move in' once a garden has lots of roses and never leave
    Yes, this. I think it gets worse and worse with more roses. There's always some susceptible rose that spreads it, always some fallen leaves, everything's closer, hard to keep good garden hygiene. I plan to do winter sulphur spray this year, hoping for less overwintering spores.
    or can you have clean seasons or only relatively clean seasons thereafter?
    Possibly, if the weather is good.
    Is it only a matter of time until weather allows it to thrive and then it's here? Not a happy thought.
    It's a combination of the weather and disease resistance of your roses. Some won't get it. The more spores around, the higher chance that the susceptible roses get it. And the weather needs to be right for it (the perfect temperature is 20-28C but it's also quite active in the 15-20C range. Relative humidity over 80%. It can't live when it's too hot or too dry.).
    I think there are many spores and most of them won't germinate. But the spots appear really quickly when the conditions are right. My husband once watered my roses with a hose and blackspot appeared overnight. Warm nights are the worst because the temperature drops and the relative humidity is higher. If you water in the evening and the leaves are wet or there is dew, this creates good conditions for long enough for the spores to germinate.
  • MarlorenaMarlorena Posts: 8,705
    ..fabulous photos..

    @evelin
    ..thank you... re Bengal Crimson, just to say, location should not be a problem, roses like these are very thrifty and self supporting... the question will be whether it stays as a 3 foot rose or shows climbing tendencies over time.. reaching upwards..   what I can tell you is that it was always the first rose to flower in my garden, each Spring... about mid to late April time.. best of luck..
    East Anglia, England
  • evelinevelin Posts: 18
    @edhelka, Plaisanterie looks lovely. Lots of Len's roses do change a colour. I also liked Bouquet Parafait, and Alden Bisen, those I have seen in real life, so I'm sure in 100%;) 
    It would be interesting to see how yours  Archduke Charles will grow, on pictures it looks great. One day I may get more chinas, considering Perle d'Or and few others.

    @Omori, it get's under your skin, that rose, isn't. It took me few years to find her a perfect spot, so she wouldn't need moving.

    @Nollie , at least yours and my Soul look perfectly healthy:)
    I'm considering Eufemia as well. I like Visser's Minerva a lot so if Eufemia is similar it should be great.

    @Victoria Sponge , it's a shame that Edith Holden is not more popular but maybe its poor health is a reason.

    @poppyfield64, I like your Chandos Beauty. Mine doesn't look that great, maybe because is not in full sun.

    @Mr. Vine Eye, lovely roses.
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