I've been advised that this is a great discussion for Rose help so here I go ..... I'm new to Roses but they've always been a fav of mine, just never knew there was so much to them lol.....
Was in Poundland of all places and saw (for a £1 each) a climbing rose bare root and a bush rose bare root, couldn't resist buying one of each so as soon as I got them home planted them, this was round about November last year.
Front garden: In one of the pix attached you can see the bush rose (the one not against the blue fence) the basal rose stem has become about 3ft tall and one of you kindly advised me that I should stake it which I have done. I think it's doing OK however the top shoots of the stem are a bit crispy, brown and wondering what needs to be done? Could it need more water? Like I said it was planted bare root last November so this is its first year. I'm not expecting blooms but wondering do I just leave it or is there anything in terms of nurture etc I need to do?
Back garden: In the other pic (blue fence) I have a climbing rose, same questions apply I guess however there's no shoots or crustiness of leaves except for a wee bit of brown here and there. Not growing as well as bush rose.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Love this website.
@Mr. Vine Eye, did you leave your Malvern Hills to grow for the first year? I've got a Ghislaine de Felisande, Awakening and Climbing DA which have all put good growth on this summer and all planted this year. Should I just let them go wild this year and not consider cutting them until they're older? None are taller than about half a meter if that. However, the GdeF and Awakening have a lot of different shoots and generally look a bit untidy. They're both still flowering so I don't need to worry for a bit, but just wanted to get your advice.
@Pianoplayer I have SWE, just the one. I like the pure white, pretty blooms, but they shatter very quickly so I’m always clearing up after her. It’s kept fairly small, except it does throw up some long canes, which I chop back down to size after flowering. Not very disease resistant here, but don’t let that put you off as most things get BS here.
Mountainous Northern Catalunya, Spain. Hot summers, cold winters.
@Marlorena Interesting thing you mentioned about Munstead wood being not a ‘clean rose’ - because mine is behaving the same too! Mine bloomed really early in the season (with such gorgeous deep burgundy and perfume) but it soon went downhill.. developing blackspots early which led to me almost completely defoliating it (probably not the best idea looking back) as the remaining buds produced only meagre sized blooms. As new shoots appeared they were quickly plagued with powdery mildew and this time round I decided to leave it and perhaps sprayed rose clear twice.. it was a stern ‘you either perform or you are going’ moment.. strangely enough the powdery mildew seems to have receded significantly and the plant appears to have gained some vigour. The canes are still incredibly spindly and thin though compared to all of my other roses.. I will have to decide whether to keep it for next year.. despite its overwhelming popularity..
On another note.. I took these flower cuttings today.. the blooms are bit sparse at the moment as the roses are still gearing up for the second flush.
Port Sunlight - my new favourite. It’s on my shady balcony that receives only 4 hours of partial sun a day and still blooms beautifully. I tend to bring its flowers in as I don’t visit that balcony as much.
The second ‘vase’ consists of a mixture of Etoile de Hollande (amazing perfume!), Lady Emma Hamilton (seems to fade to a less appealing washed-out pink very quickly) Sunsprite and GJ.
Thanks @Nollie I remember now the picture you posted. I know what you mean about the shattering, but I am glad it stays small - I'm afraid my garden isn't big enough for the larger roses. So far, no disease, but they are very popular with sawfly.
Some lovely clusters from The Generous Gardener and Royal Jubilee
@Katsa - Malvern Hills grew 12ft in the first year, so I had to tie in as it went. It put on a fantastic display this year from that.
I also have Ghislaine de Feligonde it grew one very tall cane and then lots of skinny ones all over the place. Like it had been playing a game of twister with itself. I didn't have a clue what to do with it in terms of pruning in winter, so just cut out some of the oddly placed ones (was very hard to decide which!)
Anyway it just sprouted out from everywhere again this year and has flowered well for a long time.
Goodness knows what it's going to look like this winter! But it looks nice at the moment.
Anyway in the first year I didn't really do anything with it.
@cazsophieq2019 - Can see that there’s some new growth from lower down on the Bush rose so that’s good. I think I’d leave it til it’s goes dormant and then cut the main tall cane back by half so it’s not getting rocked in the wind - then maybe cut it back again in later winter/early spring to a foot off the ground, to encourage some more growth from lower down.
The climber I would loop some garden twine around the nearest section of the short fence, knot it, and then tie the remainder loosely around that cane so that it doesn’t get buffeted about too much in the wind in Autumn and Winter. But I wouldn’t shorten it.
like this: although I’d tighten the loop so the cane had a little wiggle room but was still held securely.
How are you planning to train the climber in the long term? Wires, trellis, along the top of the fence?
Adrian, your vases are delicious... always like to see roses used this way for cutting... Port Sunlight is a beautiful rose, I've often thought of it, and suitable for your area too.. I'd like to say Munstead improves with age, but by then it will be easy to think you might prefer something else... I love the dark blooms as seen from a distance..
...I cut these 'Desdemona' blooms last night.. I just like a simple arrangement usually as I have no skills in flower arranging.. I've been spared a half decent bloom on Eustacia.. 'Wild Rover' always in bloom.. despite high blackspot pressure..
@Mr. Vine Eye thanks for responding... 🙂. to be honest I'm not sure how I'm going to train it, I have a trellis so was thinking of a combination of garden twine and the trellis. The only thing is there's a clematis planted by the same fence so hopefully they'll not be fighting too hard for water, I've posted a photo of it
@edhelka thanks for your reply too... it's very unlikely that weed killer got near the bush rose as was only used for tough dandelion leaves on the lawn which I have struggled to pull out.
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I've been advised that this is a great discussion for Rose help so here I go ..... I'm new to Roses but they've always been a fav of mine, just never knew there was so much to them lol.....
Was in Poundland of all places and saw (for a £1 each) a climbing rose bare root and a bush rose bare root, couldn't resist buying one of each so as soon as I got them home planted them, this was round about November last year.
Front garden: In one of the pix attached you can see the bush rose (the one not against the blue fence) the basal rose stem has become about 3ft tall and one of you kindly advised me that I should stake it which I have done. I think it's doing OK however the top shoots of the stem are a bit crispy, brown and wondering what needs to be done? Could it need more water? Like I said it was planted bare root last November so this is its first year. I'm not expecting blooms but wondering do I just leave it or is there anything in terms of nurture etc I need to do?
Back garden: In the other pic (blue fence) I have a climbing rose, same questions apply I guess however there's no shoots or crustiness of leaves except for a wee bit of brown here and there. Not growing as well as bush rose.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Love this website.
Caz
On another note.. I took these flower cuttings today.. the blooms are bit sparse at the moment as the roses are still gearing up for the second flush.
@Katsa - Malvern Hills grew 12ft in the first year, so I had to tie in as it went. It put on a fantastic display this year from that.
I also have Ghislaine de Feligonde it grew one very tall cane and then lots of skinny ones all over the place. Like it had been playing a game of twister with itself. I didn't have a clue what to do with it in terms of pruning in winter, so just cut out some of the oddly placed ones (was very hard to decide which!)
Anyway it just sprouted out from everywhere again this year and has flowered well for a long time.
Goodness knows what it's going to look like this winter! But it looks nice at the moment.
Anyway in the first year I didn't really do anything with it.
@cazsophieq2019 - Can see that there’s some new growth from lower down on the Bush rose so that’s good. I think I’d leave it til it’s goes dormant and then cut the main tall cane back by half so it’s not getting rocked in the wind - then maybe cut it back again in later winter/early spring to a foot off the ground, to encourage some more growth from lower down.
The climber I would loop some garden twine around the nearest section of the short fence, knot it, and then tie the remainder loosely around that cane so that it doesn’t get buffeted about too much in the wind in Autumn and Winter. But I wouldn’t shorten it.
like this: although I’d tighten the loop so the cane had a little wiggle room but was still held securely.
How are you planning to train the climber in the long term? Wires, trellis, along the top of the fence?
I'd like to say Munstead improves with age, but by then it will be easy to think you might prefer something else... I love the dark blooms as seen from a distance..
...I cut these 'Desdemona' blooms last night.. I just like a simple arrangement usually as I have no skills in flower arranging..
I've been spared a half decent bloom on Eustacia..
'Wild Rover' always in bloom.. despite high blackspot pressure..
@edhelka thanks for your reply too... it's very unlikely that weed killer got near the bush rose as was only used for tough dandelion leaves on the lawn which I have struggled to pull out.
Thanks again 🙂