I would say just be wary about stats and their interpretation. Far better to have the inside knowledge that has been presented by punkdoc. Death stats mean little - you can't tell from individual stats what the effect is on the NHS in general.
In the past the dashboards provided were good as they gave a more rounded picture - testing, hospitalisations, deaths, vaccinations - but even so, having someone who dealt with the figures in real time and had to provide the reaction to the figures is vastly better.
Edited to add: I provided the links to show that if you looked you can find the figures if that is all you're interested in.
Folk used to die from the effects of diabetes until there were ways found of lessening them. I presume that as the figure of deaths from the effects of diabetes has fallen there is now no need for you to take insulin … 🤔
You’re reasoning about Covid figures is just as ridiculous as that.
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What I find so odd is that we have a gov that allows raw sewage to be pumped into our rivers and seas and food manufacturing that puts goodness know what in food to make it 'addictive' (and that then has very serious health impacts), and people worry and and are concerned about a vaccine that is there to save people from harm. And even though no vaccine is perfect, the effect of medical advance even in my lifetime, has pushed life expectancy from 66+ to 83+ since I was born.
I can remember as a child being taken to the doctors to have my polio vaccine. It was not that unusual then to see some polio victims about, and though they would have been those less severely affected, I was glad that the sugarlump would save me from being one of them.
Since then I have taken every recommended vaccine gratefully. I caught chickenpox from my daughter (pre MMR), but had the shingles jab as soon as I could.
Not all things are preventable. I lost a childhood friend to leukemia at the age of six and I can't understand why anyone who claims to be rational would refuse the blessing of the vast improvement in our lives provided by vaccines for preventable diseases.
It might be a good risk level for you @mac12 but you have no right to inflict that risk on the unwilling and that's what you're doing by staying unvaccinated, not being careful and potentially either passing on the virus to someone more vulnerable to its complications or, as has been said, depriving them of scarce nhs resources to keep them alive and well.
I don’t fully agree with this. For me, vaccines are a choice and you live with the consequences of your choice. I am not for compulsory vaccination of a population, thankfully most people make the right choice for them. We may agree or disagree with that choice but we do have a right to choose. How do you feel about alcohol/smoking/type 2 diabetes/drug users? These people have made life choices and live with the consequences of their choices. They take up many valuable resources too. Do we not care for them? It would free up a lot of care! Where does the line get drawn? I stated earlier, I have not taken up my most recent booster for my own reasons. I know the risks involved to me by doing so, but I made the choice. Should I be vaccinated to benefit you or others? Who’s rights/risks are greater?
Again, I am not anti vax, I have 3 (or is it 4?) but I am open minded.
The flaw in your argument above is that alcohol/smoking/type 2 diabetes/drug users are not wandering about infecting vulnerable folk (some of whom may not be able to have the jab for sound medical reasons).
Mass vaccination has always been for the benefit of society as a whole as well as for the individual ... it's not the children who have German Measles who are damaged by it, but the unborn children of pregnant women who come into contact with infected children certainly may be.
Before MMR jabs small children with a mild fever and indiscernible rash were sometimes sent by thoughtless parents to playgroup or school ... their teacher may have been pregnant ... or they may have infected another child who had a baby brother or sister on the way ... those babies were sometimes born blind or deaf, or sometimes both ... because their mother caught Rubella from an infected child who's parent didn't understand the risk to others ... or didn't care.
@mac12 says that he does not wear a mask or take other precautions ... for all he knows he may be one of those who are (luckily for them) asymptomatic ... so he is risking wandering around spreading the virus to folk who are vulnerable. It's selfish people like that who are the reason that some folk are frightened and daren't leave their homes!
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I suppose freedom of choice can open up these grey areas in life or in certain situations. There does tend to be some people, in life generally, who display a way of thinking that it's their way and no other way. As in politics, the opinion divide is massive and one side tends to dominate over others at any given time. People can have a very critical view of others whose opinions differ from their own and this should be avoided if possible....particularly on any type of forum where misunderstandings can occur with the absence of observing someone in real terms. ie facial expression, body language etc. Dangers can lurk in part of our lives and it's up to each and every one of us, to make a personal choice as to what is best for them in any given situation.
What I find so odd is that we have a gov that allows raw sewage to be pumped into our rivers and seas .... and people worry and and are concerned about a vaccine
... and are happy to snort anonymous white powder and pop godknowwhat pills. But ask someone to do something for public good, that potentially protects other people, and oh the fuss. "How dare you tell me to drive slower, consider other people, not burn plastic, wear a mask? I prize my sovereignty. I fiercely protect my right to die horribly and everyone else can sod off".
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I stated earlier, I have not taken up my most recent booster for my own reasons. I know the risks involved to me by doing so, but I made the choice. Should I be vaccinated to benefit you or others? Who’s rights/risks are greater?
Mass vaccination has always been for the benefit of society as a whole as well as for the individual ... it's not the children who have German Measles who are damaged by it, but the unborn children of pregnant women who come into contact with infected children certainly may be.
Before MMR jabs small children with a mild fever and indiscernible rash were sometimes sent by thoughtless parents to playgroup or school ... their teacher may have been pregnant ... or they may have infected another child who had a baby brother or sister on the way ... those babies were sometimes born blind or deaf, or sometimes both ... because their mother caught Rubella from an infected child who's parent didn't understand the risk to others ... or didn't care.
@mac12 says that he does not wear a mask or take other precautions ... for all he knows he may be one of those who are (luckily for them) asymptomatic ... so he is risking wandering around spreading the virus to folk who are vulnerable. It's selfish people like that who are the reason that some folk are frightened and daren't leave their homes!
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People can have a very critical view of others whose opinions differ from their own and this should be avoided if possible....particularly on any type of forum where misunderstandings can occur with the absence of observing someone in real terms. ie facial expression, body language etc.
Dangers can lurk in part of our lives and it's up to each and every one of us, to make a personal choice as to what is best for them in any given situation.