The other point, that seems to be missed by so many, is that the vaccine massively reduces hospital admission from COVID, and at the moment, understandably, people are fed up of having their operations delayed for years. With the vaccine take up so low, the beds filled by COVID patients will rise and operations further delayed.
This weeks COVID admissions to ICU are looking rather worrying, prompting a SAGE meeting on Monday.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
My thoughts on the matter is that people are becoming more relaxed about covid and therefore perhaps thinking they don't need a booster. Just my thought and no one else's. Plus might people have heard a more about after effects of the vaccination and don't want to risk getting them? Again my thoughts off the top of my head having heard people talk about it?
I'm quite relaxed about Covid, but that is because I'm having the boosters as soon as they become available. We have annual flu jabs, and flu for most people is a comparatively minor illness, so why would anybody refuse the Covid jab. Makes no sense to me.
My oldest daughter,52, had jabs last year plus the flu one,she and my nextdoor neighbour were absolutely terrified, she was hysterical, screaming at me,on the phone in 2020, that I mustn't go outside! She's had it several times. This summer was so ill she couldn't even climb the stairs Yet, they have both decided they aren't having anymore jabs. Both grownups,in their 50s. There are now so many antivaxers on MUMSNET, everyone knows someone who has had cardiac problems or blood clots caused by the vaccines.
If they've had Covid that often & that badly despite being vaccinated is it surprising they've lost confidence in it?
?! They're alive aren't they? How do you know without the vaccine that they wouldn't be dead? Feeling bad is slightly better than not feeling at all - ever - eh?
Huh...so by that logic if they hadn't had the jabs they'd be dead?? Feeling bad??.. " so ill they couldn't climb the stairs" ..on top of contracting Covid several times...ie more than twice. I'd suggest that may influence ones decision to have further vaccinations.
No - again I didn't say they would be dead. I simply pointed out that feeling unwell is better (in most people's eyes) than being dead is it not? It is a better outcome. There was a chance they could have died. You can't ever know what would have happened without the vaccine. What you do know is that with the vaccine they had the illness quite badly. Given that the vaccine lessens symptoms, then I think it is fair to say, that without the vaccine their symptoms could have been worse and they could have died (given that 200,000+ people did die).
The vaccine did not stop anyone contracting the disease - and you can't then tell why these people contracted the illness multiple times. But it was known that you could get it more than once. They may have assumed that it was safe to mix in groups - who knows? The vaccine was not meant to be an 'anti-caution' vaccine. You still needed to exercise caution if you wanted to avoid the illness.
I was fully vaccinated and I got Covid quite badly in the spring. At one point I was so breathless I could only speak one word at a time. I didn't quite get to the point of needing a doctor, but it came very close. I lost all appetite and a lot of weight. it took me a long time to recover full fitness and I am still slightly underweight.
My Covid and flu jabs are booked for next Saturday and my daughter and her partner will be getting theirs asap. I am happy to be still alive, thanks to the vaccine and able to eat whatever I fancy without guilt. Thanks to Covid?
This is going to be one of the grand challenges of our time. The Office
for National Statistics from the UK estimate that there’s around 2
million people in the UK with long Covid, which is just a staggering
number.
I certainly have never heard anyone talk about ME that way, as "one of the grand challenges of our time".
I think this will be good for chronic fatigue syndrome [patients]
–there’s much more attention and much more research being put into this.
There are very close similarities with long Covid and there is
certainly very interesting data coming out.
Long Covid is not a simple thing. The cardinal manifestations are brain
fog and fatigue, but there are clearly symptoms of long Covid that are
also manifestations of chronic disease, like an increased risk of
diabetes, heart disease, kidney problems and neurological disorders.
A lot of long COVID studies suggest that the major manifestations are breathlessness and muscle pain, so I think it depends on what studies you look at.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
Mild cough started yesterday afternoon, and I woke in the night with a runny nose and sore throat. Certainly felt worse when I had a bad cold a few weeks ago, but did five tests over the two weeks it lasted and all negative. However, I have a hospital appointment this week, so I thought I’d better do a test anyway. The positive line started appearing almost immediately. Not happy. OH has tested negative, so I have spent most of the morning moving my stuff into the guest room, changing bedding and towels for OH, and wiping down door handles etc. We had a relative staying with us for two nights last week, fully jabbed and had covid in the summer. Coincidence? We have been so careful too, I’m really disappointed. I’ll cancel my hospital appointment, and my plans to brave the train to meet daughter for lunch, she is back in the UK for just a week, then away again until Christmas. Now hoping OH won’t get it, or if he does, very mildly. Not the best patient, and he is older than me with more health issues. Wondering whether to order a pulse oximeter from Argos, just in case. Any thoughts?
Oh that's a ruddy nuisance Ergates I'm so sorry to hear that. I'd been to the opticians in town during a lull in the covid pandemic first time around and couldn't drive for a while because of the drops they put my eyes. Went into M&S for coffee and met a surgeon friend so we sat chatting and naturally got talking about covid. He said if I could offer you some advice it would be to get an oximeter to check the sat. levels, if it goes down then you know there's something wrong and you probably need help. I got one. Thankfully I've never needed it so far.
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With the vaccine take up so low, the beds filled by COVID patients will rise and operations further delayed.
This weeks COVID admissions to ICU are looking rather worrying, prompting a SAGE meeting on Monday.
When you don't even know who's in the team
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I'm quite relaxed about Covid, but that is because I'm having the boosters as soon as they become available. We have annual flu jabs, and flu for most people is a comparatively minor illness, so why would anybody refuse the Covid jab. Makes no sense to me.
I certainly have never heard anyone talk about ME that way, as "one of the grand challenges of our time".
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/oct/15/long-covid-future-solutions-experts
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
We have been so careful too, I’m really disappointed. I’ll cancel my hospital appointment, and my plans to brave the train to meet daughter for lunch, she is back in the UK for just a week, then away again until Christmas.
Now hoping OH won’t get it, or if he does, very mildly. Not the best patient, and he is older than me with more health issues. Wondering whether to order a pulse oximeter from Argos, just in case. Any thoughts?
I'd been to the opticians in town during a lull in the covid pandemic first time around and couldn't drive for a while because of the drops they put my eyes. Went into M&S for coffee and met a surgeon friend so we sat chatting and naturally got talking about covid. He said if I could offer you some advice it would be to get an oximeter to check the sat. levels, if it goes down then you know there's something wrong and you probably need help. I got one. Thankfully I've never needed it so far.