Early data from SA is promising BUT their population is much younger, their immune systems tend to be more reactive, partly because they tend to be exposed to a wider variety of other infections, as well as the age factor.
It’s very different then from the first wave of COVID when they said it was worse in young black and Asian people.
Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor.
Son says that from his experience running testing centres, it seems that the first symptoms may be a shocking migraine-type headache and a really snotty nose ... then the other symptoms kick in.
I had an awful migraine last week,really floored me for a day. Came out of nowhere but no other symptoms.
“Every day is ordinary, until it isn't.” - Bernard Cornwell-Death of Kings
I woudn't give much weight to Tim Spector or Zoe. He is not much respected in govt health advisors' circles.
There's a lot of wishful thinking going on - about milder symptoms etc. I think we just don't have enough data to know yet. It's too new. I understand that people wish to know, but you can't fully understand something that has just appeared. You can't model data you don't have.
The sense of not being in control and of uncertainty is unsettling, but it's where we are at the moment. We shouldn't try and make it go away with making up fantasies. It is as it is and it will change.
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A friend had a stroke yesterday and had to wait three hours for an ambulance. It's such a hard season to be ill in, in London, at least. 😔
You want to trivialise this, which is fine, but lots of people are dying.
There's nothing I've said that trivialises anything...quite the opposite. Lots of people are and will die because of the disproportionate measures taken during this pandemic. "Lots of people are dying" ...as a percentage of cases..how many? I'm not trivialising any death but we both know that figure (%) is very small. The NHS has become a one disease service for which the rest of society is paying a too higher price both in its its health (physical and mental) and just as importantly, in livelihoods.
The experts I am in meetings with are deeply concerned, there is a genuine possibility of a catastrophic failure of health care provision.
That's bordering on scaremongering. £500 million pounds was spent on Nightingales constructed at the perceived height of the pandemic..you tell me..do you think they were value for money? How many patients did they see? The 'experts' like you want people like me to 'just to accept what is going to be done you' (your words) but won't accept criticism or accept when your suggestions, advice or demands are questioned. Any alternatives from me are likely to fall on deaf ears..you dismissed Angelique Coertzee as a mere GP...what chance I? I'm quite willing to listen and even act on the advice of experts but I also expect not to be dismissed when questioning that advice.
@Chris-P-Bacon I’m totally confused by what you’ve said … you allege that the NHS has become a ‘one disease service’ and yet you seem to think that the steps being taken by government in order to prevent just such a thing happening as ‘disproportionate’.
The Nightingale Hospitals can be thought of in the way we think of our house and car insurance premiums Hopefully it is money that we needn’t have spent … but if we don’t take out that insurance we’re up the creek without a paddle should the worst happen.
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
This is one of our local hospitals, last week they announced they were not doing anymore routine operations, Emergencies only. this is their figures today. when you read this, it does make you just a bit sceptical. I’m sure they are expecting it to get a lot worse, we’ll no doubt see soon.
There were 3 coronavirus patients in hospital beds with a mechanical ventilator on 7 December 2021.
Deaths in Torbay
There was 1 death within 28 days of a positive test for coronavirus reported on 15 December 2021.
Between 9 December 2021 and 15 December 2021, there have been 1 deaths within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test. This shows a decrease of -75.0% compared to the previous 7 days.
Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor.
I am very happy to be criticised [ if you follow this thread, I certainly have been ], but no one has come up with an alternative.
Far less other work is being done in the NHS, because beds are full of COVID, staff are off sick, etc, etc.
I don't see an alternative, unless we want to stop treating COVID patients.
I stand by my statement re a possible catastrophic failure of the health service, that is what the current measures are designed to minimise the risk of. Hopefully they will work, but genuinely no one has seen a virus with this propensity to spread. We don't yet know what the hospitalisation rate will be, but it is certainly starting to rise quite sharply in S.Africa, which is slightly ahead of us.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
In our village Friday’s big village Christmas party in the church has been cancelled as has a significant birthday party, also to have been in the church, on Monday. It’s a shame our social lives are diminishing - again - to those of anchorites but we’re certainly not complaining.
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Came out of nowhere but no other symptoms.
...and please don't presume to tell me what I need to accept.
There's nothing I've said that trivialises anything...quite the opposite.
Lots of people are and will die because of the disproportionate measures taken during this pandemic. "Lots of people are dying" ...as a percentage of cases..how many? I'm not trivialising any death but we both know that figure (%) is very small. The NHS has become a one disease service for which the rest of society is paying a too higher price both in its its health (physical and mental) and just as importantly, in livelihoods.
That's bordering on scaremongering. £500 million pounds was spent on Nightingales constructed at the perceived height of the pandemic..you tell me..do you think they were value for money? How many patients did they see?
The 'experts' like you want people like me to 'just to accept what is going to be done you' (your words) but won't accept criticism or accept when your suggestions, advice or demands are questioned. Any alternatives from me are likely to fall on deaf ears..you dismissed Angelique Coertzee as a mere GP...what chance I?
I'm quite willing to listen and even act on the advice of experts but I also expect not to be dismissed when questioning that advice.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.
this is their figures today.
when you read this, it does make you just a bit sceptical.
I’m sure they are expecting it to get a lot worse, we’ll no doubt see soon.
There were 3 coronavirus patients in hospital beds with a mechanical ventilator on 7 December 2021.
Deaths in Torbay
There was 1 death within 28 days of a positive test for coronavirus reported on 15 December 2021.
Between 9 December 2021 and 15 December 2021, there have been 1 deaths within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test. This shows a decrease of -75.0% compared to the previous 7 days.
Far less other work is being done in the NHS, because beds are full of COVID, staff are off sick, etc, etc.
I don't see an alternative, unless we want to stop treating COVID patients.
I stand by my statement re a possible catastrophic failure of the health service, that is what the current measures are designed to minimise the risk of. Hopefully they will work, but genuinely no one has seen a virus with this propensity to spread.
We don't yet know what the hospitalisation rate will be, but it is certainly starting to rise quite sharply in S.Africa, which is slightly ahead of us.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
Good to hear that some people have started making changes to Xmas plans, without having to be told.