I would think that it will take more than a couple of months to finalise a Covid passport by which time the vaccination of the adult population should be almost finished.
I have quite often heard defenders of people’s right not to be vaccinated say that there are “all sorts of reasons” for refusing. Are there? I have never heard an elaboration. To me it seems there are two foundations. 1. People who choose not to be vaccinated because they have bought into bizarre conspiracy theories, or because they object to state diktats, or because they fear long term consequences. That’s fine but I think they then have to accept the corollary of no flights, no restaurants, no pubs, no concerts, no cinema etc. 2. People who cannot be vaccinated because of medical complications. I’m guessing that will be a tiny number, far, far fewer that those who have been vaccinated yet, unbeknownst to them, failed to produce antibodies. It should be easy to grant an exemption to this cohort.
Saying that these passports are an infringement of our liberties I think is hogwash. People who wilfully refuse to be vaccinated are infringing my liberty to be out in the world socialising. While substantial numbers of the non vaccinated are among us I am still reticent about visiting crowded places.
But I do have two concerns. Will the system be robust enough to prevent forgeries and will it be effective? From the little I have read so far, vaccine passports elsewhere in the world have not fully met their objectives.
The only problem I see with covid vaccination passports/certificates to allow access to certain events and services, is that until everyone has had the opportunity to get the vaccine, it could be seen as age discrimination.
This is my concern - the young'uns have really been shafted throughout the whole pandemic in terms of jobs, education, opportunities, living conditions etc. Having a vaccine passport when most of them haven't had any opportunity to get even the first dose of the vaccine will - potentially - provide a further feeling of being left behind/ignored/sacrificed.
I'm only speculating in my opinion, as I don't know what the vaccine passport would consist of, but I really think that anything that is introduced needs to make sure that young people aren't left behind again. If that can be done, then fine, I'm quite happy with the idea of a certificate/passport etc.
I really feel for that generation - it's only one generation behind me, and I feel so lucky that I have a home and a job and a garden, and have not had my social life completely kyboshed just at the time when it is so important to development.
Agree with every word of that @Anna33. The young have sacrificed more than most in this pandemic to keep the older generation safe. And I don’t see them getting much in the way of thanks or recognition for doing so.
There is talk of the “one jab” Johnson vaccine being used for the younger cohorts, which may give them a chance to catch up in the vaccine stakes.
I'm not sure. Any anti MMR vaxers , in my experience, tended to be yummy mummy , foreign holiday, smugly woke homeopaths rather than brexiteers so I assume they have the same feelings about the covid vaccine. @punkdoc
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I have quite often heard defenders of people’s right not to be vaccinated say that there are “all sorts of reasons” for refusing. Are there? I have never heard an elaboration. To me it seems there are two foundations.
1. People who choose not to be vaccinated because they have bought into bizarre conspiracy theories, or because they object to state diktats, or because they fear long term consequences. That’s fine but I think they then have to accept the corollary of no flights, no restaurants, no pubs, no concerts, no cinema etc.
2. People who cannot be vaccinated because of medical complications. I’m guessing that will be a tiny number, far, far fewer that those who have been vaccinated yet, unbeknownst to them, failed to produce antibodies. It should be easy to grant an exemption to this cohort.
Saying that these passports are an infringement of our liberties I think is hogwash. People who wilfully refuse to be vaccinated are infringing my liberty to be out in the world socialising. While substantial numbers of the non vaccinated are among us I am still reticent about visiting crowded places.
But I do have two concerns. Will the system be robust enough to prevent forgeries and will it be effective? From the little I have read so far, vaccine passports elsewhere in the world have not fully met their objectives.
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There is talk of the “one jab” Johnson vaccine being used for the younger cohorts, which may give them a chance to catch up in the vaccine stakes.