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  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    I am lucky in that I only really have to go into a store once or twice a week.

    Irritating situation has arisen, in that my ex, who has been working as a live-in carer, has asked to come and say with me between jobs. I'm usually happy enough with this, but obviously I'm a little concerned about the risk he may have picked up the virus, and also I will have to quarantine for ten days if he comes here.

    As someone living alone, I was in a bubble with my mum which afforded me a very pleasant bit of freedom, in driving over to visit (we go for a little walk rather than sitting indoors). In fact I forwent my visit last weekend thinking I'd be going over next Sunday... but that won't happen if he comes.

    I guess there are people in worse predicaments.
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    @Loxley unless you can be absolutely sure ex OH's doing everything to stay safe and so are his colleagues and clients I think I'd not take the risk and keep the ability to see Mum.

    As for the protocols yes, absolutely following them with regards to not meeting up with anyone outside our household; distancing in shops and when seeing neighbours for a chat outside; using hand gel when entering shops and wearing a clean mask for all outings to shops or pharmacy or vet.   It's not difficult and has kept us safe so far.


    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • steveTusteveTu Posts: 3,219
    Maybe just heard the same thing on Radio 4. I think people think they're doing the 'right' thing by wearing a mask, without even realising the routine that goes with it. Lack of education.

    The Radio 4 article was talking about how many people comply with the rules - and it seems people do in general. But I doubt people 'do' in detail. If the question is 'do you wear a mask when you're supposed to', I would guess a lot of people would say yes. If shown the gov guidance and asked if they adopted that procedure, I doubt many do.

    I think the speed limit analogy is slightly off. See reply to KT53 above - I would 'guess' that if asked, most people have never seen the gov guidance on wearing a mask so simply think by wearing one they are doing their bit. Unlike the speed limit - which is more B & W - the mask wearing has a routine that you need to adopt as well.

    That was my experience when masks were introduced. There seemed to be a more gung-ho attitude to distancing as presumably people saw themselves as being that much safer because they had a mask on.

    I also still think that the gov app isn't helping either. Given that (@Loxley) transmission is primarily respiratory and the new variant is transmitted more readily, I'm amazed that the app's parameters haven't been changed to address that. Whether that's a greater distance or shorter time.

    How many people here adopt the gov guidance when donning and removing their masks? I know I don't. I never clean my hands before removing my mask, but I do then sanitise my hands after I've stored my used re-usable mask.
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  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    I think the word 'no' would be appropriate @Loxley  :)
    You're doing the favour, and in normal times that's fine, but it 's  about your safety, not his convenience. 
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • DovefromaboveDovefromabove Posts: 88,147
    pansyface said:
    steveTu asks

    does anyone follow these protocols?

    Er, yes.

    I and my OH do.
    We do too ... scrupulously. 

    Gardening in Central Norfolk on improved gritty moraine over chalk ... free-draining.





  • ObelixxObelixx Posts: 30,090
    @Loxley and @pansyface I've seen plenty of reports on TV showing just how much aerosols exhaled by humans when breathing, speaking, shouting, singing can spread and also how many are captured by various mask models and even with a home made 3 layer fabric mask the difference is extraordinary.

    In summer heat, between shops, we'd hang my home made jobbies on the rear view mirror in full sun then steam them for a couple of minutes between uses and iron them on high heat.   Now they get worn on our wrist between visits and we don't touch the fabric parts between cleans.

    Lots of home made masks here made from 3 layers of cotton fabric scraps from frocks, shirts and blouses I've made so one for every outfit!   The one time I used a commercially made pharmaceutical grade mask it felt very flimsy by comparison and is single use so wasteful.   I'm sticking with my own.
    Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
    "The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
    Plato
  • BobTheGardenerBobTheGardener Posts: 11,385
    edited January 2021
    The mask thing is pretty simple.  If you are infected with covid, then wearing any type of mask will result in the number of infected particulates being exhaled being spread less far, so you will definitely infect/kill fewer people.  Because of symptomless infections and the fact you can shed virus before you feel ill, it is simple logic that everyone should wear a mask whenever they are indoors or near someone outside, who is from outside of their own bubble.
    Nothing else matters, mask-wise.
    There is no 'mask controversy', only self-obsession, ignorance and fake news.
    A trowel in the hand is worth a thousand lost under a bush.
  • FairygirlFairygirl Posts: 55,117
    I would add utter selfishness to your list @BobTheGardener.
    It's a place where beautiful isn't enough of a word....



    I live in west central Scotland - not where that photo is...
  • B3B3 Posts: 27,505
    I assume jobbies 💩 means something else in the Vendée
    In London. Keen but lazy.
  • LoxleyLoxley Posts: 5,698
    edited January 2021
    Just heard a quick report this morning that Boris Johnson was found to have cycled 7 miles from home as exercise. Is it not a maximum of 5 miles or has that changed again ?
    I suppose it isn't explicitly set out but I always read the 'stay local' guidance as meaning: don't jump in the car or train and go out of your area to access an open space for exercise. (Unless absolutely necessary). I don't make a habit of cutting the PM any slack, but in this instance I think it's reasonable to go on an hour's round-trip bike ride from your front door.

    He might have predicted that he would be criticised though. I wouldn't get too hung up on it, it's probably his famous 'Dead Cat' strategy in action (again). We should focus on his actual failings that have led us into this mess.
    "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbour". 
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