That is true but at least an official change to the safety rules will bolster those who have to try and stand up to bullies and idiots in their entourage.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
. It seems an awful shame to me that people are not given the right to choose their own reaction to this virus. I am sorry to hear that some of you have family and friends who are bullies and idiots. I don’t want the Christmas relaxation to be changed. I want to see my family. If they don’t want to see me I would never dream of insisting that they do but as they are all young and healthy and at least half of them have already had the virus I want my much abbreviated Christmas to go forward as planned.
Many of us want to see family and want to have some sort of Christmas but this a public health emergency. Healthcare is free so the least we can all do (for free) is to help the NHS by making some small sacrifices. I see colleagues in tears most days because of the situations we are involved in.
To be fair 2 of my children caught the virus right back before the first lockdown and the 3rd is engaged to a police officer who brought the virus home. Maybe he should have refused to arrest anyone in case he caught it.
If someone attacked me and I chose to stab them that’s me making my own decisions and assessing the risk and reacting accordingly. As an adult I take risks every day. I do understand that others feel differently as they have their own situations to consider.
@debs64 - short term, selfish thinking on your part I believe. It's not about you risking all to see your family, it's aboyt saving NHS and other essential service lives and resources and then, secondly, the lives of your own loved ones. You won't die because you can't see them till Easter but you may die if you see them at Xmas.
My neighbour is a gendarme and has a daughter with health issues which make her vulnerable. His colleagues were not observing the Face, Hands and Space rules at the beginning so his wife refused to let him go to work during the first lockdown. Once they got the message he returned to work but I can't imagine the criminals were observant so his own Face, Hands and Space management has been essential before he gets home.
No bullies or idiots in our little family bubble but, clearly, plenty of people do or there would be no need for family and women's refuges, social care and so on.
Vendée - 20kms from Atlantic coast.
"The price good men (and women) pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men (and women)."
As @Obelixx says, the decisions you make, do not only affect you. If you are carrying the virus, you might infect and possibly kill others, if you get ill, you might need hospital and put other peoples lives at risk. If a decision you make only affects you, then you should be able to do what you like, if however your decisions affect others, then they should not be just your decisions to make.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
But I can’t see the logic. It’s safe for me to go to work, I work with the public, to travel on public transport, to shop in a busy centre or supermarket, to go to a garden centre or gym or hairdresser but it’s not safe for me to invite members of my family, none of whom are vulnerable to come to my home for a meal? I am not at risk from the virus, I am only middle aged and perfectly healthy so I am extremely unlikely to put any pressure on the NHS and as for dying! I think the statistics prove that I am more likely to be hit by lightning.
Many of the posters on here are vulnerable and understandably worried and I would not dream of telling them what they should do but I think it’s clear that lockdowns don’t work and the tier system is a farce.
I have said before that I believe the current situation is causing all manner of problems for so many people.
Not sure what is meant about the gendarme story, apparently it’s fine to criticise the police for being so careless as to catch COVID.
I'll be seeing First and Secondborn over Christmas. I am in Secondborn's bubble and have been looking after her children so she can go to work and look after other peoples. Firstborn has also been working throughout, teaching and safeguarding vulnerable young people and enabling key workers to go to work. We wont be partying and we wont be seeing other people but we will be meeting up for Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and Boxing Day.
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My neighbour is a gendarme and has a daughter with health issues which make her vulnerable. His colleagues were not observing the Face, Hands and Space rules at the beginning so his wife refused to let him go to work during the first lockdown. Once they got the message he returned to work but I can't imagine the criminals were observant so his own Face, Hands and Space management has been essential before he gets home.
No bullies or idiots in our little family bubble but, clearly, plenty of people do or there would be no need for family and women's refuges, social care and so on.
If a decision you make only affects you, then you should be able to do what you like, if however your decisions affect others, then they should not be just your decisions to make.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border