It's widely accepted etiquette that an OP has right to be a sort of moderator for their thread, with many websites or apps allowing this technically and where it isn't technically possible, it's usually accepted.
Marlorena started this thread, so yes, she has the right to say that she doesn't want any brexit-importing-plantnazi-whatever discussions here because really no one wants to read that.
I'd be interested to know where you got this information because it's not something I've ever encountered in many years of internet use and it's certainly not been the case on any other thread I've read on this forum. Marlorena has the right to use the ignore button if she doesn't want to read my posts, she does not have the right to tell me to use the ignore button or dictate where she thinks I'm allowed to post.
If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
No poster has the right to determine who should or should not post on a thread they start, that is just nonsense. If you don't like what someone posts, then you should ignore them. Otherwise leave it up to the moderators. In general I think that we should be trying to import less plants from abroad, but that is probably beside the point.
How can you lie there and think of England When you don't even know who's in the team
...this little rose I also got from France, but it came from Laos originally... for the collector... and you would need a keen interest in roses to appreciate this sort of thing...
That’s interesting about the preservation of older Austin roses.
I noticed that they don’t have Abraham Darby on the UK website, which I was surprised by as it seems to still be very popular on the Austin fan Facebook group I follow.
@Mr. Vine Eye... I noticed that myself the other day as I was also searching for it... I think they've quietly removed that one too... like you say, it has a huge reputation in so many places... but introduced in 1985 they've had their money's worth it seems... ..this is what upsets so many people.. it's one great rose yet they make no attempt to preserve these roses ... I asked them a few years ago if they kept any of the older ones in a field or spare area somewhere, and could they propagate them to order, if required.. I was told that, no...they don't keep them.. once removed, they're gone and I should source elsewhere if I wanted one in particular...
I personally really dislike the fact that nurseries that want to sell new DA roses can't sell the older ones. To be licenced for the new roses, they have to follow the rules set by DA. That's why so often nurseries with old DA roses don't sell new roses, and nurseries with the new ones don't have the old. Once a rose is out of patent, anyone can propagate and sell it but many names are trademarked and that's why we see these roses sold under their codes and not names.
And from a small nursery (EU) source, these roses will be "forbidden" after this season: Heathcliff, Lady Salisbury, Sophy's rose, The Wedgewood rose, Maid Marion, Fighting Temeraire, Emanuel. And roses that will most probably be "forbidden" after the 20/21 bareroot season: Graham Thomas, L D Braithwaite, Mary Rose, Teasing Georgia.
...absolutely... and people question why we import roses from abroad... it's the only place we can still get beauties like DA's 'Kathryn Morley' these days.... long gone from here...
In fairness to DA... by their own admission they do 'police' the system internationally to make sure vendors adhere to their requirements... if they didn't do this, and stake their claims to copyright... they wouldn't be able to fund what they do... which is to hybridise 60,000 crosses each year, producing some 300,000 seedlings, from which just 2 or 3 will come to market for us to enjoy.. it's a huge operation... they have to play the numbers game... the more seedlings, the more likely one or two will be exceptional...
In 2016 I think, they were the 10th largest nursery business in the UK with a turnover of £10 million... the biggest are those involved with summer bedding plant production...
Thinking about Abraham Darby, my most wanted rose in the world is Paul Barden's gallica 'Marianne', a seedling of Abraham Darby and a hybrid china/gallica Duchesse the Montebello. I would import it from the US if it were doable for under £100 but it probably isn't... I guess I am crazy. But I wish there were more breeders in Europe doing crosses of DAs or other modern shrubs with old roses or new and better crosses of old roses (with known parentage because the story behind the rose is important).
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If you don't like what someone posts, then you should ignore them.
Otherwise leave it up to the moderators.
In general I think that we should be trying to import less plants from abroad, but that is probably beside the point.
When you don't even know who's in the team
S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
...here's a nice import I made earlier... this one was from France and one of my best garden roses....
I noticed that they don’t have Abraham Darby on the UK website, which I was surprised by as it seems to still be very popular on the Austin fan Facebook group I follow.
But it is still sold in the US.
..this is what upsets so many people.. it's one great rose yet they make no attempt to preserve these roses ... I asked them a few years ago if they kept any of the older ones in a field or spare area somewhere, and could they propagate them to order, if required.. I was told that, no...they don't keep them.. once removed, they're gone and I should source elsewhere if I wanted one in particular...
In fairness to DA... by their own admission they do 'police' the system internationally to make sure vendors adhere to their requirements... if they didn't do this, and stake their claims to copyright... they wouldn't be able to fund what they do... which is to hybridise 60,000 crosses each year, producing some 300,000 seedlings, from which just 2 or 3 will come to market for us to enjoy.. it's a huge operation... they have to play the numbers game... the more seedlings, the more likely one or two will be exceptional...
In 2016 I think, they were the 10th largest nursery business in the UK with a turnover of £10 million... the biggest are those involved with summer bedding plant production...