I'm also very glad that Brexit will finally get done, the people who voted have confirmed they still want to leave after listening to all the arguments for and against for the last 3 1/2 years so I do not believe that anti-brexiteers can now claim that the people don't know what they are doing - that is and was just so arrogant.
That's not true, actually. In % terms, fewer people voted for Brexit 'just get it done'. The majority voted for parties with a policy of a second referendum.
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My political views are roughly centre-left/liberal but I am no more anti-conservative or anti-Boris than I am currently anti-Labour and anti-Jeremy.
However, I do think it is an error, @Lizzie27 to think that people who voted Conservative are doing so to endorse Brexit. I think everyone in the UK as well as us expats abroad are just sick and tired of the fact that this mess of the Conservative Party’s own making is paralysing the UK and causing huge worry for UK citizens living throughout the EU. I too just want IT, or something, ANYTHING, done. Uncertainty is the enemy of planning and progress. I voted Remain (still had a vote then) but feel deep frustration at just not knowing what is going to happen. I want to know how our status across a whole host of areas that are yet-to-be negotiated will be affected, so myself, a Spanish resident and my OH, who works in the UK, can plan how we are going to cope both now and in the future. I am sure most individuals and businesses feel the same, wherever they are based.
I also know far too many people who voted out who now regret that decision, but are resigned to it happening. They felt lied to and uninformed about the benefits and advantages of eu membership and all what we stood to lose by leaving. They now realise that controlling freedom of movement of eu citizens constrains their own freedoms and privileges that they had so long taken for granted. That their European holiday flights and insurance are going to cost more, plus their staycations if there are no foreign hotel staff to clean their rooms. That the extensive grants, development money and rebates formerly received from the eu will cease. That the social, cultural, security and economic benefits of being part of and helping control the direction of the club far exceed any piddling savings that may, at some point, be made by being on the outside looking in. That the ‘control’ the UK will take back will have to be given away again if we want any sort of relationship or financially beneficial trade deal with other blocs or countries, whether that be the US or the EU, because trade deals, security cooperation, visa-free travel and a whole host of other areas involve surrendering elements of sovereignty. It’s called doing a deal.
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I'm also very glad that Brexit will finally get done, the people who voted have confirmed they still want to leave after listening to all the arguments for and against for the last 3 1/2 years so I do not believe that anti-brexiteers can now claim that the people don't know what they are doing - that is and was just so arrogant.
That's not true, actually. In % terms, fewer people voted for Brexit 'just get it done'. The majority voted for parties with a policy of a second referendum.
It's actually an even bigger failure of representative democracy than the first vote The Tories have been quick to spin the results to say it supports Brexit when the opposite is true though. Nothing like starting out as you mean to go on...
If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
Its just one of them things @Lizzie27 if you go on another forum when talking about politics the opinion can be the opposite to here. Iam just pleased Labour got demolished with the ridiculous way over the top policy's on tax / spend and the brexit policy / scot indi was frankly a joke . When Corybyn gone hopefully momentium goes with him.
Finally brexit will be finished no more taking the micheal we are leaving and that's it
@Lizzie27: the reason that there has been so much antipathy to Brexit/Johnson/Conservatives on this board is probably in no small part due to the fact that, at the time of the referendum, debate on here became heated to the point of vitriol. Many who voted to leave simply decided that to contribute anything further was to court opprobrium and a certain lack of tolerance to alternative points of view.
It is very easy to demonise the Conservative Party as uncaring etc etc and to ascribe to the Labour Party attributes of a caring and virtuous persona.
In the Corbyn-led, Momentum-driven shell of the old Labour Party nothing could be further from the truth. The vile venting of spleen (not here, but on social media) has informed our political discourse.
Whether or not a new Government which, for good or for ill, has a working majority, that has roundly trounced the Marxist dogma (for now at least) will be able to lead properly, take into account the needs of the whole country rather than the chattering classes of Islington, remains to be seen.
Before we rush to judgement, I for one am glad the new Parliament will be unable to play childish games to frustrate progress, that there will be a Speaker who will oversee proceedings with impartiality, and that we may just have left the "Useless Parliament" behind.
Totally - I really don't think most people realise what the trade deals are about. To trade you must set standards - or else what you class as widget 'a' isn't what your trade partners define it as. It also means that government business tax (and business support) needs to be thought about and wages - or else how can your businesses compete with a trade partners where their tax is half the amount and they pay their workers a quarter of yours? That's what evolved over the decades with the EU - with BOTH Labour and Conservative goverments being involved in the discussions / negotiations over those decades - a levelling of the playing field. That is the n'000 of pages of laws that have been put on the UK statute book and that have to be there for us to trade within the EU.
What is also insane in the current climate (pun intended), is that the EU is 20+ miles away at its closest point and already has standard legislation on climate (https://ec.europa.eu/clima/about-us/climate-law_en) and we're talking about doing deals further and further afield with countries that potentially will not adopt those standards. If multi-nationals don't see the UK as a gateway to the EU anymore (and if we don't adopt EU standards why should they?), then won't we also be importing stuff that may have been manufactured here in the past? It seems that on one hand CO2 is this major thing - then on the other it becomes 'let's do big deals with the US and China and import/export loads of stuff thousands of miles (at the closest point)'.
A simple case - if the EU brings out EU7 for control of car emissions, does anyone think that any car manufactured in the UK will not have to adopt that standard? So if we want to trade with the EU, won't we have to adopt their standards anyway in whichever area? And even more frustratingly, we now won't have any say whatsoever in those standards.
67% turn out ? - don't know whether it was time of year, sheer boredom with the politics on offer or what - pretty abysmal tho for a supposed western democracy.
Pretty good turn out here. All boroughs were over 70+ %
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Before we rush to judgement, I for one am glad the new Parliament will be unable to play childish games to frustrate progress, that there will be a Speaker who will oversee proceedings with impartiality, and that we may just have left the "Useless Parliament" behind.
If Brexit needed anything then political stability was it. The uncertainty of it all has been deeply damaging but now we should at least be able to move forward with a set goal in mind which should be good for business if nothing else.
59.6% turnout here and 20% of those voted for the Brexit party. It's one of the safest Labour seats in the country though, most people here would vote for a dead dog before voting Conservative but they still managed to drum up nearly 6000 votes.
If you can keep your head, while those around you are losing theirs, you may not have grasped the seriousness of the situation.
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I can sympathise with that
“It's still magic even if you know how it's done.”
However, I do think it is an error, @Lizzie27 to think that people who voted Conservative are doing so to endorse Brexit. I think everyone in the UK as well as us expats abroad are just sick and tired of the fact that this mess of the Conservative Party’s own making is paralysing the UK and causing huge worry for UK citizens living throughout the EU. I too just want IT, or something, ANYTHING, done. Uncertainty is the enemy of planning and progress. I voted Remain (still had a vote then) but feel deep frustration at just not knowing what is going to happen. I want to know how our status across a whole host of areas that are yet-to-be negotiated will be affected, so myself, a Spanish resident and my OH, who works in the UK, can plan how we are going to cope both now and in the future. I am sure most individuals and businesses feel the same, wherever they are based.
I also know far too many people who voted out who now regret that decision, but are resigned to it happening. They felt lied to and uninformed about the benefits and advantages of eu membership and all what we stood to lose by leaving. They now realise that controlling freedom of movement of eu citizens constrains their own freedoms and privileges that they had so long taken for granted. That their European holiday flights and insurance are going to cost more, plus their staycations if there are no foreign hotel staff to clean their rooms. That the extensive grants, development money and rebates formerly received from the eu will cease. That the social, cultural, security and economic benefits of being part of and helping control the direction of the club far exceed any piddling savings that may, at some point, be made by being on the outside looking in. That the ‘control’ the UK will take back will have to be given away again if we want any sort of relationship or financially beneficial trade deal with other blocs or countries, whether that be the US or the EU, because trade deals, security cooperation, visa-free travel and a whole host of other areas involve surrendering elements of sovereignty. It’s called doing a deal.
Finally brexit will be finished no more taking the micheal we are leaving and that's it
It is very easy to demonise the Conservative Party as uncaring etc etc and to ascribe to the Labour Party attributes of a caring and virtuous persona.
In the Corbyn-led, Momentum-driven shell of the old Labour Party nothing could be further from the truth. The vile venting of spleen (not here, but on social media) has informed our political discourse.
Whether or not a new Government which, for good or for ill, has a working majority, that has roundly trounced the Marxist dogma (for now at least) will be able to lead properly, take into account the needs of the whole country rather than the chattering classes of Islington, remains to be seen.
Before we rush to judgement, I for one am glad the new Parliament will be unable to play childish games to frustrate progress, that there will be a Speaker who will oversee proceedings with impartiality, and that we may just have left the "Useless Parliament" behind.