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Petition-Restore nature on a massive scale to help stop climate breakdown.

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  • Fishy65Fishy65 Posts: 2,276
    @philippa smith2 Gordon Ramsey wasn't there by any chance Philippa?  :o
  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    The UK will just have to show the US and China the way it should be done!
    Lead by example and others will follow  :)
    Sadly not true.  The US and China will just see the additional opportunity created by 'the idiot UK' sticking to all the rules, and they will reap the benefits.  Big business rules the Western World, and corrupt communist leaders rule China.  Making our own country less competitive will help nobody.
  • madpenguinmadpenguin Posts: 2,543
    “Every day is ordinary, until it isn't.” - Bernard Cornwell-Death of Kings
  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    Brilliant, as he says, we’ve taken the plastic balls out of face wash,😀. 
    That will help. 
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • Nanny BeachNanny Beach Posts: 8,719
    I agree Phillipa, when she was questioned (I assume you mean Emma Thompson) she said "Oh, well, I plant lots of trees!) My eldest son said to me several years ago, "We have already f****d the planet", my late Father back in the 60s refused to allow me to use any sprays because he talked of global warming,ruining the ozone layer.  I dont agree with the protesters, especially as stopping,slowing the traffic has the most negative effect on pollution. Some of the organisers saying "Take the day off work,come and have some fun", one saying she went abroad to take brain altering chemicals, which made her see the light!!! I have been doing my "bit", for years.  I started recycling over 40 years ago, try to use secondhand furniture, when possible.  I dont fly anywhere.  You still see people young/old in the big supermarkets with their single bottles of water, a huge amount of them this hot spell we have just had.  The protesters want us all to become vegan, what are they going to do with the animals then!  I do very much enjoy a mostly plant based diet, went veggi about 45 years ago, when I saw secret filming of livestock, I dont have any problem with people eating meat, as long as it has a decent life, (and death)
  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    My son said the same as yours NB,  he didn’t want children, said over population will kill the planet and he didn’t to be a part of that.
    Theres nothing to be done now,  once the Genie’s out of the bottle there’s no gong back, 

    People will never stop using cars, they are trying to clean them up, but it still won’t work, it’s too late.  There are too many factories around the world making ‘things’ that people want to buy,  unless we have a huge catastrophe, nothing much will change, we live in an age of want, want want, and we want it now.

    Always seeing people with bottles of water, why is that! What’s wrong with tap water through a filter machine,  to much like hard work, easier to buy it.
    i suppose it’s because there’s too much money these days.  No money, no rubbish buying. 
    The young blame the old, did we have plastics, off to shops everyday, have 3 or 4 cars in one family,  every electrical devise going, we mixed our cakes with a spoon,

     Where did it go wrong, the population depleted after WW2. They were urging people to have babies,  giving family allowances to 2nd children,  now the population has tripled in my lifetime.   
    I suppose they blame the old for pushing up population, people living to 100 not uncommon these days, but they’re not all buying cars and ‘stuff’! 

    We are on this planet just by a fluke,  if we destroy it and are no more, then so be it.
    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • KT53KT53 Posts: 9,016
    edited April 2019
    Lyn said:

     Where did it go wrong, the population depleted after WW2. They were urging people to have babies,  giving family allowances to 2nd children,  now the population has tripled in my lifetime.   

    Something wrong with your maths there Lyn.  If every couple only had 2 children, world population would remain stable.  Large families are comparatively unusual in the developed world, but commonplace in the 3rd world.  That's where most of the population growth is coming from and unless something is done to manage that, the effect we can have will be absolutely minimal.  That doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can, where we can.

    Also, am I the only one who wants to strangle hypocritical luvvies like Thompson who preach to the world about what they should do, but don't think their own lifestyle should be affected?  Talk about "Don't do what I do, do what I say".
  • LynLyn Posts: 23,190
    Was never any good at maths, I was only going by what Richard Attenborough said.  If it’s trebled in his lifetime it must have trebled in mine. 

    Gardening on the wild, windy west side of Dartmoor. 

  • treehugger80treehugger80 Posts: 1,923
    David Attenborough, Richard was his older brother and was the actor from Jurassic Park
  • raisingirlraisingirl Posts: 7,093
    Lyn said:
     Where did it go wrong, the population depleted after WW2. They were urging people to have babies,  giving family allowances to 2nd children,  now the population has tripled in my lifetime.   
    I suppose they blame the old for pushing up population, people living to 100 not uncommon these days, but they’re not all buying cars and ‘stuff’! 

    The population problem is not birth rate, or actually the elderly, it's the number of babies that survive to have babies. Infant mortality dropped very sharply in the post war years across the developed world. So although the birth RATE declined - i.e. the number of births per woman - the number of women having babies went up very steeply. Therefore population growth has been pretty much exponential.

    The UK population has doubled since 1901.

    The world population has trebled since 1951.
    Gardening on the edge of Exmoor, in Devon

    “It's still magic even if you know how it's done.” 
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