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  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    edited July 2018
    " It is a potential mine field. "

    I agree - as with voluntary end of life  - there will be mistakes but we have to try anyway. How are opt-out systems in Wales, Austria, Belgium and Singapore doing? I guess there are some benefits to being late adopters - we can learn from the errors of other set ups.

  • Pauline 7Pauline 7 Posts: 2,246
    Punkdoc. Your post sneeked in while I was typing, but,  no I wouldn't.  
    West Yorkshire
  • Mary370Mary370 Posts: 2,003
    To those who would not personally accept an organ......even if your life depended on it and one was available.  What if your beautiful child/sibling/spouse/parent were guaranteed a long and healthy life with a donor organ or death within a short period of time without one, would you still refuse one?  
  • FireFire Posts: 19,096
    ...It sounds like this comes back to a Christian perspective.
  • Pauline 7Pauline 7 Posts: 2,246
    Mary.  The only family I have is my other half. He knows my wishes and I know his.  To answer your question,  yes I would still refuse one. 
    West Yorkshire
  • punkdocpunkdoc Posts: 15,039
    I think that the point that is most widely missed, is that in Wales, families are still given the chance to decline organ donation.
    It is not a true opt out system, but is a step in the right direction.

    There is no doubt, that opt out has increased the rate of donation in some countries, but not all, and that there are many other approaches that can be used.

    Spain has an opt out system and has an organ donor rate about 17% higher than ours, but there are also many other differences in their system.

    Our own rates have increased by about 6% in the last 10 years.
    How can you lie there and think of England
    When you don't even know who's in the team

    S.Yorkshire/Derbyshire border
  • Pauline 7Pauline 7 Posts: 2,246
    Fire said:
    ...It sounds like this comes back to a Christian perspective.
    Not a Christian perspective for me Fire. I have no religion. 
    West Yorkshire
  • josusa47josusa47 Posts: 3,530
    Nothing personal Josusa, just felt the need to proselytise against proselytism.  Don't know why you assume it's atheists disagreeing with you though - atheism is just as evidence-blind as religion.

    What's going on here is mature and sensitive discussion of the human condition.  Banging on about people on crosses doesn't add an awful lot to it, even though I'm sure you mean well and have plenty to add, as a person, rather than a "believer




    Rob, read my post again please, far from " banging on" about people on crosses, I didn't say a word about crucifixion.  Good-natured and rational discussion doesn't usually include putting words in someone's mouth.
  • Hostafan1Hostafan1 Posts: 34,889
    When I'm dead, I'm just a lump of dead meat. If any of that meat can help someone live, they're welcome to it and I hope they get it.
    Devon.
  • plant pauperplant pauper Posts: 6,904
    I think some of it's possibly down to the immortality thing again. The thought of donating any or all of my organs as I sit here gives me pause for thought as I'm alive and healthy and I need them. One has to accept the 'dead' scenario before coming to terms with giving up your vital organs and that's hard to get your head round.
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